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| john feakes |
Posted - 08 Mar 2011 : 10:48:20 AM
With the advent of P6 we have a new game to play.
My thoughts are that our old concepts of period racing have to be modified to accommodate the new players.
This would mean bikes of similar technology (regardless of period) running together to make better use of available track time.
I would envisage the current P2 bikes running with P3 and drum braked P4 bikes.
Disc braked P4 to run with P5 and P6.
Racing by capacity class and bikes to carry an additional smaller number to designate which period they belong in.
Can we have some CONSTRUCTIVE thoughts please?
Cheers, John |
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| conker |
Posted - 14 May 2011 : 08:39:45 AM
Sorry GD66 KEITH Campbell, not Wally. Supermono was surprisingly popular in Victoria for a while, due mainly to the absence of rules. The one rule they needed was an upper capacity limit of 500cc. The winners had the big motors (600cc and over) and to be amongst it you had to have one. Most couldn't stand up to racing, and there are still old supermonos with blown up motors, rotting way in garages. Getting a class up and running is always a problem. But P3 500s are already there! It wouldn't be rocket science to permit P4 and P5 500cc singles to run with the P3 bikes. All it would take would be to allow use of a single disc in place of the already permitted drum brakes, and forget about the 'historic' rules, except requiring that the bikes must be log-booked in at least one of the eligible 'periods'. I don't believe any SR500 on the planet would beat a molnar manx in the hands of an equivalent rider. |
| GD66 |
Posted - 13 May 2011 : 6:42:25 PM
Kind of. Nothing stopping someone like the BSFoS running an all-in singles event, by the way. Unfortunately Bob Blythe's quixotic efforts to get the InCA formula accepted at Eastern Creek (and Pukekohe) was met with a deafening silence, very disappointing after he'd forked out so much of his own money in the misguided belief that the 1968 cutoff would compel a host of top riders and entrants to buy and turn out with Seeleys and Metisses.
I fail to see how he could have done more, yet he received virtually no support and in fact George Beale and co (who could easily have afforded to pay their own way once in Australia) viewed it as an opportunity for a free winter holiday and saw to it that Bob had to keep dipping into his pocket to keep things running away from the circuit.
Appalling, really, and it made sure poor old Bob had to give his dream away. The BSFoS is what has emerged from the ashes of Bob's InCA meetings, but back in the day we were lucky enough to see John Cronshaw, Dave Roper, Sandro Baumann, Barry Sheene, Phil Read, Dave Hughes, Glen English and Andy Molnar mixing it up with Morris, Guest, Farrell and the rest of the P3 local guns, in front of a small group of fanatic locals but empty grandstands.
In short Alan, the formula didn't take hold...
BTW I haven't seen Campbell on a banger as yet : the Vee Two Ducati, Ray Berry's RG500 and now an XR69, but so far no banger... |
| conker |
Posted - 13 May 2011 : 08:18:32 AM
GD66, I agree with your comments a bout 'broad appeal'. However I still believe that the P3 Senior (500cc) class is the premier. It's just a pity that the Seeley G50, and the SR500s don't get to run in it. They're faced with the same development wall as far as their motors and handling are concerned, and it would make sense to have them race with the P3 500s. Watching guys like Gardner and Campbell race on 500cc four strokes, is like watching ballet. And it's very similar to what the Australian Senior TT was in the early 1960s. |
| who |
Posted - 12 May 2011 : 10:28:27 PM
Thanks Nige, the fzr 1000 is about 3-4 weeks away from 1st shake down. I have to finish the one piece tank and tail cover and take a mould. Once that is done I will just need to blow the cob webs out...(of me). The engine is in good shape and running nicely. So not long for that one, it is essentially a bike that was made up of parts i had lying around.
The OW you can see is I think was Peter Guests race bike. I will probably sell that one to fund other projects.
GD66, I hear you regarding the appeal of historics, I cant wait to be fully invovled! |
| nige085 |
Posted - 12 May 2011 : 9:10:20 PM
Who!!
Your Yamaha FZR 1000 looks great! So when will it be making its way to the race track ???? I'm looking forward to seeing it in the flesh!
We need more bikes out there sooner rather than later! What about the OW01 is that likely to make it to the track also or is it part of your collection??? |
| conker |
Posted - 12 May 2011 : 05:58:50 AM
Jason, When you upload photos, copy the link starting with IMG, and the photo will be displayed as part of your message:
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| GD66 |
Posted - 11 May 2011 : 10:42:09 PM
Bike looks good, Jason ! And Who, the defining link varies over the years depending on who's currently cashed-up, turning forty and keen to recapture the past they couldn't achieve. As a youth in the sixties and seventies, I had no time or tolerance for the 1930s...yet, all these years later, I find the machinery and deeds of those times amazing.
Similarly, although I race in P4, I still consider the P3 500 class roaring off the grid to be the feature race each year at the nats, yet can't get enough of the white-knuckle, hotrod action of P5 Unlimited at the Island Classic. The longer you're involved in classic racing, the broader the appeal ! |
| who |
Posted - 11 May 2011 : 10:12:55 PM
point of the photo was this: There are random people such as myself out there with bikes in sheds and the desire to race in the P6 class.
It is early days, and the class may take some time to gather a bit of serious momentum. However, when it does we will be able to re-visit the wonderful days of 80's racing. This era of racing is probably the defining period and the link between historic and modern racing today.
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| JasonL |
Posted - 11 May 2011 : 9:33:00 PM
Well if we're putting pics of bikes up, here's one of mine. We're all talking bikes so much but we never see who's got what - how about a few more pics from others?
Sorry can't work out how to put pic up directly, maybe who can advise |
| Bummers |
Posted - 11 May 2011 : 7:00:14 PM
To me it looks like the World's Fastest Holden under that parachute. 
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| who |
Posted - 11 May 2011 : 2:38:14 PM
Hi GD66! Isn't human nature an inquisitive thing... lol. We look past the OW01...the Bimota YB6ie... the TZ250s frame, and wonder what is under the parachute! |
| GD66 |
Posted - 10 May 2011 : 9:04:49 PM
Yep, that happens : if someone edits an old post, it still comes up as a new entry, then seems invisible when you click and go in for a look. Usually worth a trawl to see what's been updated in the old post : in this case, who's shed looks very intriguing...especially what lies beneath the parachute cloth in the background... |
| JasonL |
Posted - 10 May 2011 : 2:32:08 PM
Right, that might be it - can see pic now, looks good, hope to see it out there soon! |
| who |
Posted - 10 May 2011 : 1:16:07 PM
Jason, I edited a post 6 up from here a few minutes ago, with the hope the board could see the photo link to my FZR etc, as I don't think it was working previously. Perhaps that is the reason? I certainly haven't posted recently other than the edit as mentioned. |
| JasonL |
Posted - 10 May 2011 : 1:06:08 PM
Is it only me or can others not see this last message? On the topic list it shows a new message from 'who' but when I go in I only get the last prior message from Alan. This has happened on other parts of the forum is it to do with it being at the bottom of the page perhaps? |
| Allan |
Posted - 10 May 2011 : 09:46:10 AM
Conker,
I am sure David would do it, if you would like to "pay" him at going rates.. $260/hr min 4 hr's.
I m sure people do not realize the cost of running this "web" and the amount of time it requires!! |
| conker |
Posted - 10 May 2011 : 05:47:32 AM
'What do I need to do, create an area for P1, P2, P3, P4 and P5 as well?'
What a good idea! Then the guys with the special interests would be able to identify one another, and organise themselves to make their racing better?
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| who |
Posted - 09 May 2011 : 5:46:21 PM
Not special David, in fact pretty much in the same boat as most I've talked to in regards to P6. A little dismayed in the lack of support for the new class of historic racing(P6), by those involved in historic racing.
One day those old hydrogen and electric powered bikes will be included too! |
| David |
Posted - 09 May 2011 : 5:30:27 PM
Well you 2 (AlanC and who) obviously think that you are special compared to others. P6 goes in with all General Comments, Promotion of Historic/Classic/Post Classic and any other are that it may fit. What do I need to do, create an area for P1, P2, P3, P4 and P5 as well?
This site is to discuss all things to do with Historic/Classic/Post Classic motorcycle racing in Australia. |
| who |
Posted - 09 May 2011 : 5:12:18 PM
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Originally posted by conker
who, that's a good question, perhaps we are seeing bias? Could it be that P6 must find a home for itself at modern meetings, and historic racing will for itself split between two areas of mortorcycle sport forever more? We'll have pre82 as 'historic', post 82 as something else?
P6 is historic racing, and will be so for ever more. Whether the early classes survive will be interesting to see?
Jason, I’m building this FZR1000 atm. The rest will come in time.
Here is a direct link to the photo. Cut and paste:-)
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| JasonL |
Posted - 09 May 2011 : 09:48:10 AM
Who, one of the best things we can do is get the numbers out there, you mentioned an OW01? Are you racing or able to?? Is it logbooked?
Alan P6 already has a home for itself at modern meetings - Hartwell, Vic titles and Interclub all offer it. In NSW, PCRA treat it like all the historic classes they run (which may or may not be coincidentally why they have the greatest numbers running) Mark my words, in a few years time you won't be able to move for P6 bikes.
As for a retro club I like the idea however that's a whole lot of time and committment which I don't have right now, but later in the year may be able to look at. |
| conker |
Posted - 09 May 2011 : 08:19:55 AM
who, that's a good question, perhaps we are seeing bias? Could it be that P6 must find a home for itself at modern meetings, and historic racing will for itself split between two areas of mortorcycle sport forever more? We'll have pre82 as 'historic', post 82 as something else? |
| who |
Posted - 08 May 2011 : 1:10:01 PM
I'm wondering why there isn't a P6 forum on this site?
Also there is an old slightly modified idiom. Believe nothing of what you hear, half of what you see, and everything that is written as motorcycling law in the MOMS.
I fail to understand the deep levels of denial present here and elsewhere.
P6 is a historic class of racing! Like it or not it is here to stay! |
| conker |
Posted - 27 Mar 2011 : 08:55:17 AM
Jason, How is the 'retro' club coming along? |
| conker |
Posted - 17 Mar 2011 : 7:04:13 PM
Jason, A 'retro' club would be great. You could combine with HMRAV on three day weekends to run feature races on the third day for all periods and non-historic 'classics'. You'd probably get a lot of guys from NSW coming along for the fun?: |
| Bummers |
Posted - 16 Mar 2011 : 6:44:53 PM
I wish I had known P6 was going to be in MOMS 2011; I would have started building a "race" RZ Yamaha instead of gathering RD bits, last year. Now that I've got "the collection" I'll have to continue with it but would have preferred RZ based stuff.
At least 2 strokes will still be competitive in P6 125/250/350 & maybe 500/Unlimited.
Did anyone notice Methanol wasn't prohibited in P6? - Bet that will change in next years MOMS 
Bummers |
| JasonL |
Posted - 16 Mar 2011 : 08:57:25 AM
Ha! Well I have begun to wonder if we could make a "retro" type club work, catering for P6 and 90's....at the very least I was keen to get a website for same up and running. "retro" whatever that is anyway, seems pretty popular, witness the Rapid bikes spin-off 'used and Classic Bike' and there is a UK equivalent.
BTW, the newest P6 bike is 21 years old, the oldest 28... |
| conker |
Posted - 16 Mar 2011 : 08:22:01 AM
Jason, Why don't you start a new Victorian chapter of the PCRA? I think you'd get a lot of support! |
| conker |
Posted - 16 Mar 2011 : 08:15:50 AM
Are we talking about historic bikes or 'moderns'? Most P6 bikes are now 18 years old. In 1973 when 'historic racing' started, the bikes were 11 years old! You need to move with the times! There will always be new bikes coming along if 'historic racing' is to continue. Do you believe history stopped in 1962? |
| john feakes |
Posted - 15 Mar 2011 : 4:07:31 PM
Historic, I think we should agree to disagree.
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