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john feakes
Advanced Member
Victoria
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 Posted - 15 Mar 2011 : 1:16:21 PM
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Historic, what is there to celebrate?
What has actually changed?
It seems to me that New Era is now called P6 and that's all it amounts to.
Maybe, for the ultra conservatives, that is seen as a revolutionary change.
For me it seems like much ado about nothing. |
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JasonL
Level 3 Member
Victoria
240 Posts |
Posted - 15 Mar 2011 : 2:29:39 PM
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Historic,
You do need to be careful or at least better qualify, comments such as:
"Not one class in P6 (to date on the list I've seen) has managed the minimum number for a champ class"
Do you mean at the Barry Sheene? PCRA One hour? club rounds?? Irrespective, I would disagree with this, I think whether previous Barry Sheene's or PCRA club rounds there have been occasions where some classes had the numbers.
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Historic
Level 2 Member
New South Wales
46 Posts |
Posted - 15 Mar 2011 : 2:45:24 PM
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Fair enough Jason. I was speaking of this years BSFoS. I'm not concerned about the numbers, I actually think they are encouraging for the first year of competition. It will take time for logbooks to be applied for and processed. Also people are going to have to decide if they wish to run an historic motorcycle or simply continuing to enjoy their modern albeit older motorcycle.
John if you can't see what has changed then we must be speaking different languages.
For the first time these bikes have a national standard, organised grouping/classes and the possibility...one day.... to become a championship. Previous to this they were older moderns running to different rules and classes in different states, with no possibility to be recognised for championship status.
If I had a P6 eligible bike I'd be celebrating. |
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john feakes
Advanced Member
Victoria
791 Posts |
Posted - 15 Mar 2011 : 4:07:31 PM
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Historic, I think we should agree to disagree.
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conker
Really - acotrel - Now banned
Victoria
361 Posts |
Posted - 16 Mar 2011 : 08:15:50 AM
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| Are we talking about historic bikes or 'moderns'? Most P6 bikes are now 18 years old. In 1973 when 'historic racing' started, the bikes were 11 years old! You need to move with the times! There will always be new bikes coming along if 'historic racing' is to continue. Do you believe history stopped in 1962? |
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conker
Really - acotrel - Now banned
Victoria
361 Posts |
Posted - 16 Mar 2011 : 08:22:01 AM
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| Jason, Why don't you start a new Victorian chapter of the PCRA? I think you'd get a lot of support! |
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JasonL
Level 3 Member
Victoria
240 Posts |
Posted - 16 Mar 2011 : 08:57:25 AM
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Ha! Well I have begun to wonder if we could make a "retro" type club work, catering for P6 and 90's....at the very least I was keen to get a website for same up and running. "retro" whatever that is anyway, seems pretty popular, witness the Rapid bikes spin-off 'used and Classic Bike' and there is a UK equivalent.
BTW, the newest P6 bike is 21 years old, the oldest 28... |
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Bummers
Level 3 Member
Queensland
244 Posts |
Posted - 16 Mar 2011 : 6:44:53 PM
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I wish I had known P6 was going to be in MOMS 2011; I would have started building a "race" RZ Yamaha instead of gathering RD bits, last year. Now that I've got "the collection" I'll have to continue with it but would have preferred RZ based stuff.
At least 2 strokes will still be competitive in P6 125/250/350 & maybe 500/Unlimited.
Did anyone notice Methanol wasn't prohibited in P6? - Bet that will change in next years MOMS 
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conker
Really - acotrel - Now banned
Victoria
361 Posts |
Posted - 17 Mar 2011 : 7:04:13 PM
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| Jason, A 'retro' club would be great. You could combine with HMRAV on three day weekends to run feature races on the third day for all periods and non-historic 'classics'. You'd probably get a lot of guys from NSW coming along for the fun?: |
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conker
Really - acotrel - Now banned
Victoria
361 Posts |
Posted - 27 Mar 2011 : 08:55:17 AM
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| Jason, How is the 'retro' club coming along? |
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who
Level 2 Member
36 Posts |
Posted - 08 May 2011 : 1:10:01 PM
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I'm wondering why there isn't a P6 forum on this site?
Also there is an old slightly modified idiom. Believe nothing of what you hear, half of what you see, and everything that is written as motorcycling law in the MOMS.
I fail to understand the deep levels of denial present here and elsewhere.
P6 is a historic class of racing! Like it or not it is here to stay! |
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conker
Really - acotrel - Now banned
Victoria
361 Posts |
Posted - 09 May 2011 : 08:19:55 AM
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| who, that's a good question, perhaps we are seeing bias? Could it be that P6 must find a home for itself at modern meetings, and historic racing will for itself split between two areas of mortorcycle sport forever more? We'll have pre82 as 'historic', post 82 as something else? |
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JasonL
Level 3 Member
Victoria
240 Posts |
Posted - 09 May 2011 : 09:48:10 AM
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Who, one of the best things we can do is get the numbers out there, you mentioned an OW01? Are you racing or able to?? Is it logbooked?
Alan P6 already has a home for itself at modern meetings - Hartwell, Vic titles and Interclub all offer it. In NSW, PCRA treat it like all the historic classes they run (which may or may not be coincidentally why they have the greatest numbers running) Mark my words, in a few years time you won't be able to move for P6 bikes.
As for a retro club I like the idea however that's a whole lot of time and committment which I don't have right now, but later in the year may be able to look at. |
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who
Level 2 Member
36 Posts |
Posted - 09 May 2011 : 5:12:18 PM
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Originally posted by conker
who, that's a good question, perhaps we are seeing bias? Could it be that P6 must find a home for itself at modern meetings, and historic racing will for itself split between two areas of mortorcycle sport forever more? We'll have pre82 as 'historic', post 82 as something else?
P6 is historic racing, and will be so for ever more. Whether the early classes survive will be interesting to see?
Jason, I’m building this FZR1000 atm. The rest will come in time.
Here is a direct link to the photo. Cut and paste:-)
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Edited by - who on 10 May 2011 11:59:37 AM |
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David
Site Administrator
Australia
999 Posts |
Posted - 09 May 2011 : 5:30:27 PM
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Well you 2 (AlanC and who) obviously think that you are special compared to others. P6 goes in with all You must be logged in to see this link., You must be logged in to see this link. and any other are that it may fit. What do I need to do, create an area for P1, P2, P3, P4 and P5 as well?
This site is to discuss all things to do with Historic/Classic/Post Classic motorcycle racing in Australia. |
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David
Webmaster & Owner of Classic Motorcycling Australia
Quote: I thought I wanted a career, turns out I just wanted to be paid. |
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who
Level 2 Member
36 Posts |
Posted - 09 May 2011 : 5:46:21 PM
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Not special David, in fact pretty much in the same boat as most I've talked to in regards to P6. A little dismayed in the lack of support for the new class of historic racing(P6), by those involved in historic racing.
One day those old hydrogen and electric powered bikes will be included too! |
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conker
Really - acotrel - Now banned
Victoria
361 Posts |
Posted - 10 May 2011 : 05:47:32 AM
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'What do I need to do, create an area for P1, P2, P3, P4 and P5 as well?'
What a good idea! Then the guys with the special interests would be able to identify one another, and organise themselves to make their racing better?
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Allan
Site Moderator
National
599 Posts |
Posted - 10 May 2011 : 09:46:10 AM
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Conker,
I am sure David would do it, if you would like to "pay" him at going rates.. $260/hr min 4 hr's.
I m sure people do not realize the cost of running this "web" and the amount of time it requires!! |
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JasonL
Level 3 Member
Victoria
240 Posts |
Posted - 10 May 2011 : 1:06:08 PM
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| Is it only me or can others not see this last message? On the topic list it shows a new message from 'who' but when I go in I only get the last prior message from Alan. This has happened on other parts of the forum is it to do with it being at the bottom of the page perhaps? |
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who
Level 2 Member
36 Posts |
Posted - 10 May 2011 : 1:16:07 PM
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| Jason, I edited a post 6 up from here a few minutes ago, with the hope the board could see the photo link to my FZR etc, as I don't think it was working previously. Perhaps that is the reason? I certainly haven't posted recently other than the edit as mentioned. |
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JasonL
Level 3 Member
Victoria
240 Posts |
Posted - 10 May 2011 : 2:32:08 PM
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Right, that might be it - can see pic now, looks good, hope to see it out there soon! |
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GD66
Senior Member
Western Australia
390 Posts |
Posted - 10 May 2011 : 9:04:49 PM
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| Yep, that happens : if someone edits an old post, it still comes up as a new entry, then seems invisible when you click and go in for a look. Usually worth a trawl to see what's been updated in the old post : in this case, who's shed looks very intriguing...especially what lies beneath the parachute cloth in the background... |
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who
Level 2 Member
36 Posts |
Posted - 11 May 2011 : 2:38:14 PM
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| Hi GD66! Isn't human nature an inquisitive thing... lol. We look past the OW01...the Bimota YB6ie... the TZ250s frame, and wonder what is under the parachute! |
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Bummers
Level 3 Member
Queensland
244 Posts |
Posted - 11 May 2011 : 7:00:14 PM
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To me it looks like the World's Fastest Holden under that parachute. 
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JasonL
Level 3 Member
Victoria
240 Posts |
Posted - 11 May 2011 : 9:33:00 PM
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Well if we're putting pics of bikes up, here's one of mine. We're all talking bikes so much but we never see who's got what - how about a few more pics from others?
Sorry can't work out how to put pic up directly, maybe who can advise |
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who
Level 2 Member
36 Posts |
Posted - 11 May 2011 : 10:12:55 PM
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point of the photo was this: There are random people such as myself out there with bikes in sheds and the desire to race in the P6 class.
It is early days, and the class may take some time to gather a bit of serious momentum. However, when it does we will be able to re-visit the wonderful days of 80's racing. This era of racing is probably the defining period and the link between historic and modern racing today.
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GD66
Senior Member
Western Australia
390 Posts |
Posted - 11 May 2011 : 10:42:09 PM
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Bike looks good, Jason ! And Who, the defining link varies over the years depending on who's currently cashed-up, turning forty and keen to recapture the past they couldn't achieve. As a youth in the sixties and seventies, I had no time or tolerance for the 1930s...yet, all these years later, I find the machinery and deeds of those times amazing.
Similarly, although I race in P4, I still consider the P3 500 class roaring off the grid to be the feature race each year at the nats, yet can't get enough of the white-knuckle, hotrod action of P5 Unlimited at the Island Classic. The longer you're involved in classic racing, the broader the appeal ! |
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conker
Really - acotrel - Now banned
Victoria
361 Posts |
Posted - 12 May 2011 : 05:58:50 AM
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Jason, When you upload photos, copy the link starting with IMG, and the photo will be displayed as part of your message:
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nige085
Level 1 Member
New South Wales
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Posted - 12 May 2011 : 9:10:20 PM
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Who!!
Your Yamaha FZR 1000 looks great! So when will it be making its way to the race track ???? I'm looking forward to seeing it in the flesh!
We need more bikes out there sooner rather than later! What about the OW01 is that likely to make it to the track also or is it part of your collection??? |
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who
Level 2 Member
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Posted - 12 May 2011 : 10:28:27 PM
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Thanks Nige, the fzr 1000 is about 3-4 weeks away from 1st shake down. I have to finish the one piece tank and tail cover and take a mould. Once that is done I will just need to blow the cob webs out...(of me). The engine is in good shape and running nicely. So not long for that one, it is essentially a bike that was made up of parts i had lying around.
The OW you can see is I think was Peter Guests race bike. I will probably sell that one to fund other projects.
GD66, I hear you regarding the appeal of historics, I cant wait to be fully invovled! |
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