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john
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Victoria
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 Posted - 31 May 2009 : 10:33:25 PM
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We do need to look at entry numbers in the future, we had 52 combined P4 and P5 solos, so something needs to be done to keep the final grid to 40.
Ideas include qualifying, reserve bikes, restricting entry numbers after the grid has been filled.
We also need to fill the Classic grid to 40 so we can then ask for more races.
The sidecars I think will hit 30 soon so we may get a full grid in a year or two.
Please make a Comment or criticism.
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John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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keith campbell
Level 3 Member
Victoria
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Posted - 01 Jun 2009 : 07:08:35 AM
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Totally agree with your comments about grid numbers John.The largest hurdle is going to be convincing the A7 Club we "deserve" another race. The Classic grid has dwindled this year bucking recent HMRAV events where great improvement has been witnessed. P4 and P5 made big numbers this year and look set to keep growing.The club has had 4 races till recently so the challenge is to show the crowd deserve to se an expanded spectacle from bikes on track. Judging by all of the happy young and old faces pressed up to the fence in the dummy grid area spectators do take a keen interest in watching the bikes.
How do we get it across????
cheers for now . |
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john
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Victoria
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Posted - 01 Jun 2009 : 09:55:04 AM
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We have not had 4 races in each segment before.
We have not lost races but in fact gained one extra one a year or two ago.
It has been suggested the only way we will get a chnace is to have full grids and more in reserve.
The Classics are the weak link for the moment. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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keith campbell
Level 3 Member
Victoria
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Posted - 01 Jun 2009 : 12:14:08 PM
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You may recall only 4 years or so ago there was always 2 classic events,1 post classic and 1 sidecar.
I have ridden those events in both P3 classes with a Rigid 500cc and the spring frame bike in the All Powers 350 and over.
Previous classic solo events were (1) Class A Rigid frame combined with up to 350cc P3 Solos
The second event was ALL Powers 350cc and above.
The P3 event has lost numbers but as you witnessed the P4 and P5 is getting huge.
Cheers :) |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
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Posted - 01 Jun 2009 : 3:57:25 PM
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I stand corrected.
We had different programs for each day because we had 9 races on Saturday and 8 races on Sunday. We asked for the extra race and went to the 3 x 3 each day the same each way.
The Classics did loose a handicap race that was all solos, P3, 4 AND 5 in and we made the P4 and P5 event only from the extra race we obtained.
So we need ideas such as a run on a sidecar if you bring a classic etc may be the way to go! |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
Edited by - john on 02 Jun 2009 2:57:36 PM |
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john
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Victoria
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Posted - 02 Jun 2009 : 3:00:53 PM
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I can say the cars are knocking back 300 entries to this event.
So our chances of an extra ride at the moment are pretty remote.
Just to beat the rumour mongers there are no plans to get rid of the bikes.
Unless we remove such things as practise etc I have no idea odf how we can do anything to get more races. But we need full fields first before I go asking. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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keith campbell
Level 3 Member
Victoria
248 Posts |
Posted - 02 Jun 2009 : 4:01:32 PM
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| 51 entries and 40 odd spots on the grid = full field dont you think. |
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OldKwak
Level 2 Member
Victoria
156 Posts |
Posted - 03 Jun 2009 : 4:24:31 PM
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| Why not make it a three day meeting with practice/qualifying on the Friday, like the island classic. |
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keith campbell
Level 3 Member
Victoria
248 Posts |
Posted - 04 Jun 2009 : 09:03:04 AM
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Very interesting. In all of the years i've been,there must be 90% of all competitors present on Friday.
The additional $$$$ for an extra day of track hire may be a good bargaining tool with the circuit owners.I am guessing all monies go to Winton on Friday practice days???
The Friday practice sessions at the moment are not well subscribed by all classes. If a "reasonable" fee was included with entry the circuit/promoter/clubs should all be able to count on greater returns...If 100 take part in Fri practice now V's up to 400 the $$$ must make sense to consider it.
Accommodation is usually booked for the W/E and presents no extra cost.
Let's see...
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OldKwak
Level 2 Member
Victoria
156 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jun 2009 : 6:42:33 PM
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| Exactly |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jun 2009 : 5:24:19 PM
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| To a large extent it is a 3 day event, but from what I hear the practise on Friday is bit of a dogs breakfast with cars and bikes on for a relatively short period of time each. I have never been there on Friday, what is it like? |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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OldKwak
Level 2 Member
Victoria
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Posted - 08 Jun 2009 : 9:57:31 PM
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Friday practice is a joke and I consider it dangerous. I planned to go on to run in the donk but didn't when they put the side cars and bikes on together, left oil all over the track after the cars, there was no emergency response available and the cost was ridiculous.
If it was run as a MA auspiced event then I believe the practice would be properly run, I think it would be better to have a three day event if the numbers continue to increase. |
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matcho mick
Advanced Member
New South Wales
570 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jun 2009 : 10:24:45 PM
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nothings changed there,fridays always dogs brekky for practise,20min on, 20 off ,any car & any bikes alternating,fridays classed as open practise reguardless of meetings sat/sun  |
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keith campbell
Level 3 Member
Victoria
248 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jun 2009 : 09:11:50 AM
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If the organisers can get together they should easily be able to eclipse their takings on Friday conducting it as part of the w/e event.
Sure some costs will increase = Appropriate levels of staff/marshalls
Approx estimates
100 cars and bikes at $100 = $10000 (estimate of friday now)
300 cars and bikes at $50 = $15000
300 cars and bikes at $60 = $18000
350 " " """" $50 = $17500
350 """"""""""""""" $60 = $21000
There must be room for negotiation amongst the Clubs and Circuit owners about positive improvements to a successfully run event for the last 33 years.
******** Obviously we must not forget what the topic is all about****
*****More racing events for all competitors***************
Cheers 
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jun 2009 : 09:15:58 AM
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| I shall copy and paste your request and figures to the Austin 7 Club. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jun 2009 : 09:21:36 AM
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I have submitted this.
Noel, (Austin 7 club}
my members have been asking if it is possible to expand the weekend to include Friday with a better managed practise. Currently sidecars and solos are on the track at the same time, something that is banned in Motorcycle rules.
One member has submitted this and I volunteered to pass it on.
"If the organisers can get together they should easily be able to eclipse their takings on Friday conducting it as part of the w/e event.
Sure some costs will increase = Appropriate levels of staff/marshalls
Approx estimates
100 cars and bikes at $100 = $10000 (estimate of friday now)
300 cars and bikes at $50 = $15000
300 cars and bikes at $60 = $18000
350 " " """" $50 = $17500
350 """"""""""""""" $60 = $21000
There must be room for negotiation amongst the Clubs and Circuit owners about positive improvements to a successfully run event for the last 33 years. "
Are there any alternatives to the current process, would an organised practise work any better, would Winton management allow it anyway?
John Daley
Secretary Historic Motorcycle Racing Association of Vic. [ HMRAV]
Club of Excitement
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John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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OldKwak
Level 2 Member
Victoria
156 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jun 2009 : 10:06:25 AM
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| Good stuff John and Keith |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jun 2009 : 11:35:36 AM
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I have had this response already
"Hello Again
Friday practice at Winton and the way that it is conducted should be one of the major topics at our debrief meeting
I took particular notice of what occurs during the ' private practice ' and listened to the many comments from
our competitors who took part ..... and believe me there are a lot of reasons for concern
We at least should have some say in the way that the sessions are conducted as it reflects upon the reputation of our meeting
Regards
Noel
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John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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OldKwak
Level 2 Member
Victoria
156 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jun 2009 : 9:57:20 PM
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| Glad to see the car people have the same concerns - lets leverage this for a good result for all |
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keith campbell
Level 3 Member
Victoria
248 Posts |
Posted - 10 Jun 2009 : 5:47:54 PM
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Thanks for FWD'ing my message John.
With a positive response from Noel (A7 Club I'm assuming) sounds to me like there is room for some tweaking.
It would be marvellous to expand the racing program ensuring better racing for all classes on 2,3 or 4 wheels!!!
Cheers :) |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 10 Jun 2009 : 7:33:08 PM
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I have had this quick reponsce from one of the A7 committee members;
Friday Practice organised by the A7 Club is a good idea BUT it will need volunteers to take another day off work and another nights accommodation.
Cheers Graeme Logan
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John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
Edited by - john on 10 Jun 2009 7:34:49 PM |
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