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john
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Victoria
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 Posted - 11 Jan 2004 : 08:08:57 AM
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HMRAV have obtained a permit to run a lunch time demo at the Vic Historic Titles. As yet the committee has not confirmed the proposal I am running with it until it is considered. the plan involves a special $15 licence and a $10 fee. All machines need to be glass safe, all riders need only protective gear, not full leathers. Red Plate bikes, any old road bike and even racers not racing may participate, WHY to encourage "wanna bees' or curious people to try the circuit. It may become part of the marketting for the titles whereas we have different demos for the Southern Classic. What are your thoughts, how can we promote, whose entering?
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John Daley Sidecar #68
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keith campbell
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Victoria
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Posted - 12 Jan 2004 : 11:53:13 AM
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WHAT A GREAT IDEA TO GET A FEW OLD BIKES OUT FOR A RUN AROUND THE CIRCUIT......
I SPOKE TO M.A THE OTHER DAY ABOUT 1 EVENT LICENCES AND THEY SAID THE $15 FEE IS NOW AVAILABLE FOR JUST THIS PURPOSE....
IT MAY JUST BE A PERFECT TOOL IN PROMOTING MEETINGS FOR THOSE WHO TURN UP TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A "TOOTLE" AROUND THE CIRCUIT WHERE THEY HAVE COME TO BE INVOLVED IN THE ACTION ..... FANTASTIC
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keith campbell
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Victoria
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Posted - 12 Jan 2004 : 12:40:03 PM
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Another question? regarding bang for buck, how much time could a rider expect to get during the parade at lunchtime?
What happens if there happened to be 40 riders interested?
DO they go out in one large group or does it get split up into 2 runs?
Is there any room to move in timeslots with a session at end of days racing whilst Presentation is being prepared perhaps would give further entertainment value whilst waiting around?
If there is available time does the "licence" only allow one track session per day?
Could 2 be considered?
Can M.A. assist in promoting this "NEW FEATURE" at such meetings?
Is there a "mass" way of contacting m.c.clubs other than this site to offer "our new feature" to all like minded motorcyclists?
It may also be a great tool in the PROMOTION of selling a bike to a potential customer?Hey test ride it-dunno what some may think but it may work?(crashing is a concern naturally)
I am not promoting a "race" but reckon we should be able to get plenty of riders out there and use this avenue to bring some more people to "our" circuit.....
GOOD LUCK Keith |
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john
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Victoria
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Posted - 12 Jan 2004 : 1:35:29 PM
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| I shall get back with some answers once the Committee of HMRAV has approved the idea. An integral poart is the supply of officials other than our racing flaggies to assist. I have asked the Classic Club if they are interested and can they supply flaggies. The other points are worthy of discussion and I shall pass them on asap. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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keith campbell
Level 3 Member
Victoria
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Posted - 12 Jan 2004 : 4:07:34 PM
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| Bewdy and thanks John cheers Keith. |
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Posted - 12 Jan 2004 : 8:32:57 PM
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There are plenty of different motorcycle clubs around,so getting them interested in these type of days shoulnt be a problem.
All of the companies that hold ridedays,eg Aus S/Bike School,Stay Upright,HART etc etc should be informed about upcoming days.
The importers and bikeshops are another to ask as a I reckon a few new bike buyers would jump at the chance to punt their bikes and not have to spend a fortune on going to a rideday.
These are the ideas of only one so I reckon with a few more ideas put up in this forum things might get happening.
Regards
Neill
P.s This is one of the best ideas to promote the sport Ive heard!!!
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
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Posted - 13 Jan 2004 : 09:17:58 AM
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| Neill, my guess is that we will only want oldies rather than new bikes. I am sayingt this because of the typoe of racing we are presenting and the lack of opportunity for oldies to normally get to a circuit. More importantly my idea was to grow the spectators of Historic Racing from the owners of the oldies. IE Classic Club, Vintage club etc. Does it seem reasonable?? |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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keith campbell
Level 3 Member
Victoria
248 Posts |
Posted - 13 Jan 2004 : 10:14:28 AM
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Dear John it would be a bit rough if I were to "be interested" enough for example to Check over my bike,pack for the day or even better overnight come to a meeting and pay my money happily with the intent in doing some laps at a circuit closest to home just for the fun of it .Lets say I put $45???? up front to watch and stay the night and also pay $25 to ride but get a cold shoulder because my CBR600 isnt a crowd favourite......all this effort came about from an ad I saw in Just Bikes or M.C.trader or whatever and I just decided to give it a go! Iwouldnt do it again I suspect but what you dont know is I have a 439832nv5e43n v in the shed that my Grandfather gave me before he died 7 years ago......
Hell I dunno but if BEARS ARE RACING |
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keith campbell
Level 3 Member
Victoria
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Posted - 13 Jan 2004 : 10:26:43 AM
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I hit submit reply by accident in above but what I am getting at here is I believe "MOTORCYCLING" should be available to anyone with a motorcycle.Yes we are a Classic Club and our main focus MUST be HERE but to deny likeminded others opportunities to enjoy OUR spectacle is perhaps narrow focused.Speed Trials give the people the chance to experience all forms of bikes and the crowd appreciate what they see i am sure.
What if I was looking to buy a 1991 vjg6546 from a bloke who said let's go and watch at Broadford and you can test my bike for $25 which comes off the price if you buy?
It may be a racebike or just a commuter for daily riding but i reckon its worth a shot?
If two groups were available due to demand perhaps they could be separated but ....
Anyway just hypothesising here....."Ficticious" |
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john
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Victoria
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Posted - 13 Jan 2004 : 1:04:43 PM
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| My major concern is that others may not be as open as you want it. Dont forget the committee does not even know of the details of the proposals at the moment. They may go for any bike, they may not. If it was restricted it would be well promoted as such. My imitial idea was to use the Classoc clubs, because we had already discussed the concept. They could organise the flaggies required because they would have a direct interest to get them. We need to rest the racing flaggies at lunch time. I dont want to say we wont take moderns, but its not for me to say, but I dont think we should build expectations unnecessarily either. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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acotrel
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Victoria
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Posted - 14 Jan 2004 : 02:41:40 AM
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| How about a 'regularity' event, for guys with or without a full racing licence, who've got a classic bike? All we'd need is some decent timing gear. |
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john
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Victoria
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Posted - 14 Jan 2004 : 08:13:15 AM
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| Hang on Al, we are working on the Demo at the moment.My plans for a regularity will take a bit longer to get support, most people want racing time. But we are looking at a ride day format for regularities. Also, I need to work out how to get 40 sidecars, because thats my first priority. Your coment about timing is out of order, we have had Computime at the last two meetings and they work well, no complaints either, other than not enough copies. I guess Winton has a beautiful timing system!! |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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acotrel
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Victoria
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Posted - 14 Jan 2004 : 8:28:27 PM
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The Winton system is pretty expensive, and the promoter has been talking about getting riders and drivers to purchase their own transponders at about $300-400 each.
I'm surprised that Broadford is ahead on this one!
The thing about having transponders on bikes is that we can then run six hour relay races, and regularity trials without the laborious manual checking and recording.
There's a good reason to standardise the system between circuits!!! |
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acotrel
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Victoria
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Posted - 14 Jan 2004 : 8:31:15 PM
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| What is MA doing about standardising the timing systems at circuits, so we won't have to buy different transponders at each one?? Can you answer me that, Huh, Huh? |
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john
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Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jan 2004 : 10:13:16 PM
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| I dont speak for MA. MaA dont own circuits. I believe it will be promoters who sort out the timing not MA anyway. BUT CAN WE STICK TO THE TOPIC. Lunch time demos of bikes |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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acotrel
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Victoria
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Posted - 15 Jan 2004 : 8:46:41 PM
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At the Australian Historic Motorfest at Winton last October MG was the feature marque, and the MG Car Club was contacted in Melbourne to see how many people would like to parade their MG cars at lucnhtime on the Sunday. It turned out that some of these characters wanted to be paid for putting on a demo - the fee asked by Winton, was $25 for car and two people entry to the circuit, and participation in the parade. A few turned up (I think about 40), but the others had plenty of other activities to go to, and couldn't be bothered driving to Winton.
I suggest we'll do better with a 'regularity trial', than a 'parade' at lunchtime. The novelty will soon wear off a parade. |
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john
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Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jan 2004 : 10:41:36 PM
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| Fair enough, but at the moment the regualrity people are quite and the demo blokes are making attractive noises like, yes please. I think the time has come when riders need to consider their place in the racing scene and think about what they can do for racing. Currently not many do. But this topic is about Demo's. We have the licence in place, we have a track, we have a permit and we have some interest. Maybe out if this over time a regularity trial may grow. Alan, as you know I am preparing for one but so far I have only had others tell me they dont want it to interupt racing. So it may be a while before anything happens. Perhaps when bike numbers are down lower perhaps. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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acotrel
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Victoria
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Posted - 16 Jan 2004 : 06:49:10 AM
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| John, The Demo idea is great. I only have one concern, and that is what happens if one of the punters does a big number on himself. They're straight off the street, and often incompetent. The likelihood of an incident involving injury is quite high. The magnitude of the risk can affect insurance policies at all circuits. I hope you are in 'risk management mode'. |
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john
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Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jan 2004 : 07:40:37 AM
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| Dont woryy Al, we have a foolproof system in place, We will get a note frtom their Mum saying its OK, them weill wrap them in cotton wool, keep the speed to 29 kph , use a travelling marshall and threaten to break the fingers of anybody who wants to talk to a solicito. Seriously, if you have any Risk Man. in mind lets get it written down,of course if they all rode sidecars, nobody would fall off! |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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acotrel
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Victoria
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Posted - 16 Jan 2004 : 7:41:01 PM
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John, At ride days at Winton, it's surprising the guys who don't know the first thing about riding on a circuit. Like the one about if another guy gets to the corners first, it's his corner. I've seen guys go under, and the lead guy has come down on them. The one about braking early for the first corner needs to be told. I often see guys do about 4 gearchanges in 3 metres at the first corner, really gets the back wheel hopping! If they weren't riding modern superbikes which handle really well, and have good tyres, they'd be on the deck. Imagine them riding a Manx with T1 Triangulars!!
I don't know how you're going to control the guys on street bikes, particularly at tight little places like Broadford, Mt Gambier and Winton. Perhaps we should set up a training school for potential Historic Racers? |
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matcho mick
Advanced Member
New South Wales
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Posted - 20 Jan 2004 : 11:14:57 PM
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g'day guys,lakeside use to run regularity rides at classic meeting in the 80's,actually based on what speed you would like to circulate at?,seemed to work fine,they actually had slow,medium and fast,(fast guys were "semi retired" racers anyway,atracted a lot of extra riders/$ for the effort?,HRR use to run "lunch time parades" for mainly spectators registed classic bikes,another good idea was sponsored marque of the meeting,say all velos got in for free,next time would be Bsa etc,was a good promotional ploy?,all these ideas work,especially when Hog Owners club were invited,didn't that pull the spectators,so i guess somewhere in these ideas kicked around lies a problem waiting for a solution?,my 10c worth?,Mick  |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
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Posted - 22 Jan 2004 : 03:21:57 AM
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Mick, You have mentioned a few good ideas there. I seriously believe it wouldn't take much to pull a crowd at an historic meeting. It would be interesting to get Mick Doohan, Wayne Gardner and a few of the old A graders, and other international riders involved in a 'regularity trial' (the 'fast' group). The point is that in these events you name your time and lose a point for going a second a lap faster, or two points for going a second slower.
If you could get some of the really fast guys involved, the event could erupt into a full blown race. Might pull a few more spectators to our meetings! |
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Posted - 22 Jan 2004 : 10:24:04 AM
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What about a few stunt riders too.Thats about the only thing you missed Mick.Quite a few good ideas there.
Letting a few moderns punt around with the oldies would be good from a spectator point of view and I personally have a ball when I get to take my 125gp bike out with the oldies on practice/ride days.
Women in motorcycling should be another avenue to look at.
The future of classic racing depends on things like these I believe as the current lifelines wont be around forever.
Regards
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john
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Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jan 2004 : 2:18:18 PM
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| Neill, we already have stunt riders at Broadford, just keep you eye on me I have been in the grass more than once and if you wait long enough there is always a solo who feels he can do better. I am worried about you comment about Women being another avenue to look at, I think I had better have a talk to you. I am worried you have missed out on some aspects of you education if you think thats a new idea!! Perhaps you mean we could specifically speak with Womens organisations or bike clubs? |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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Posted - 22 Jan 2004 : 6:38:20 PM
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Women in motorcycling, wow what a great idea, what mental heavyweight came up with that one!
I don't care less if a guy or guys finish in front of me but I absolutely love seeing guys spit the dummy because they were beaten "by a girl".
A few of you guys on this site could do better than patting each other on the bum all the time and coming up with "your" latest idea. Why not get a bike and ride it for real. Don't keep telling people how good you are, get out on track and show them. A least you wont get laughed at as much.
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acotrel
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Victoria
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Posted - 22 Jan 2004 : 11:40:09 PM
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| Perhaps we can get Peggy Hyde to come out of retirement? She used to live up in the Dandenongs, and rode down through Ferntree Gully every day. She gave a lot of us C Graders a lot to worry about! She blew the doors off most of us! |
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john
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Victoria
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Posted - 25 Jan 2004 : 9:39:43 PM
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| Jayne I actually race / practise / or train with sidecars about once per 8 weeks and I try and help grow the sport. What do you do? |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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john
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Victoria
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Posted - 25 Jan 2004 : 9:42:49 PM
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| Getting back to Demo rides. the HRR in NSW is considering a similair thing with a max limit of 1962 for machines. They hope this will actually add to the nimber of "older machines" without having R 1's that are catered for with other rides days. |
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' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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acotrel
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Victoria
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Posted - 26 Jan 2004 : 8:31:02 PM
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John, how about a cutoff date of 1985. That might get some of those beautiful old Commandos, Z900s, GS1100s, Katanas, GPZ900s onto the track.
I think 1962 is too old, not too many people have an immaculate bike that age.
I suggest that historic racing should cover bikes up to 1985, anyway. I'd really like to race a Katana, or an H model TZ, but I think they'll all be long gone before we get around to catering for them. Let's start period 6 NOW, and run it with Forgotten Era, and Period 4 in capacity classes. |
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john
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Victoria
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Posted - 26 Jan 2004 : 9:59:59 PM
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Al, this is the Demo ride show not the P6 promotional. P6 etc is a no go area at the moment, they are racing with the Club events very nicely thanks. Even I can see the need to keep historis to 1980. If the P6 boys want something let them start their own instead of pushing in a somebody else's party.
Getting back to the 1962 limit for the demo and perhaps the regularity it may draw large numbers of old bangers. |
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' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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acotrel
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Victoria
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Posted - 27 Jan 2004 : 12:19:15 PM
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| Would the 1962 cutoff include Indian Enfields ? |
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