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john
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Posted - 04 Sep 2008 :  8:35:29 PM  Show Profile Send john a Private Message  

 
RULE
INTERPRETATION
Information Bulletin
February 21, 2008

Affected Discipline:

Historic Road Race

Rule pertains to:

Sidecar configuration

Current rule in 2008 Manual of Motorcycle Sport:

GCR 16.8.3.5 “Front exit sidecar configuration only”

It has been suggested that some Period Four sidecars are using ‘rear exit’ configuration for passengers.

Interpretation of rule:

Period Four sidecars must only be used as front exit machines. The sidecar passenger must only exit the machine to the front of the sidecar wheel.

Date Interpretation takes affect from:

August 27, 2008

Feedback contact:
Ross Martin – Motorcycling Australia, Manager – Commissions and Committees

(03) 9684 0504 or rmartin@ma.org.au
 

 
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john feakes
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Victoria


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Posted - 06 Sep 2008 :  08:53:04 AM  Show Profile Send john feakes a Private Message  

 
I can't see how it is possible to "misinterpret" that rule. How could a rear exit sidecar get a P4 logbook in the first place?
Cheers, John
 

 
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Historic
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New South Wales


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Posted - 08 Sep 2008 :  12:39:04 PM  Show Profile Send Historic a Private Message  

 
Ah,
This interpretation is a total croak. The outfit in question complies with the rules as it is built with front exit. The outfit was and is eligible under the rule as written and this foolish interpretation. Like a lot of outfits it is also capable of using a rear exit style.
This will be the only rule/interpretation that dictates how somebody rides/passengers a motorcycle or sidecar that I can think of in the GCRs.
Passengers have always experimented with various ways of doing their job. Rear exit was known and done in the 30s, 40s , 50s, 60s, 70, and then almost exclusivly from then on.
Certainly most in the P4 era did front exit. Some rear exited. The defining issue was making the rules so outfits had to be built to allow front exit, this limits some advantages. If it is built to allow front exit then any supposed advantage is very limited. The passenger should be free to do their job in the manner they are most comfortable doing on a machine that is built to comply with the rules.
This interpretation now opens a whole can of worms. The outfit has a logbook, it will pass scrutineering. So when does this silly interpretation take force? Will a corner marshal radio in and tell the Clerk of Course that they saw a passenger rear exit? Will they know the difference or whether the passenger was mearly shifting their weight to the side (possibly towards the rear) or actually getting out in front of or behind the sidecar wheel.
Once we've established that they did what is the penalty for such an act? It can't be dangerous riding because the P5 and P3 can both rear exit. So what's the charge, the penalty and the real reason behind this stupid ruling.
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john feakes
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Victoria


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Posted - 09 Sep 2008 :  4:02:28 PM  Show Profile Send john feakes a Private Message  

 
Oh dear! Thanks for that clarification.I don't know what to say, other than nothing surprises me any more.
Perhaps it's time we had a good hard look at what our rules are supposed to achieve. Cheers, John
 

 
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