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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
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 Posted - 28 Jul 2009 : 09:24:31 AM
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Yes it does.
But it is made harder when we get almost silence in a forum like this when we ask for opinions about alternatives. It would be great if all the 125 racers who read thsi let us know their thoughts. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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john feakes
Advanced Member
Victoria
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Posted - 28 Jul 2009 : 10:36:23 AM
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John, the 125 riders who read/subscribe to this forum have already made their thoughts known. They want to race with other 125s.
The problem is that nobody is listening.
It needs someone with the courage and authority to fix the problem now, while there is still time.
Are you that person?
Cheers, John |
125 RIDERS' ALLIANCE
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jul 2009 : 10:58:10 AM
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3 or 4 riders are not enough to get a race by themselves.
There are about 10 125's around.
They all need to let us know they will race, I will not recommend a change unless we get the numbers first.
I am putting the egg before the chicken on this case. We have made a mistake and it will be recitfied if a committment is made.
In other words they need committment, so far none have agreed to call anybody up to encourage them to race, they seem to want somebody else to do that.
I will not because I did it about 5 years ago. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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john feakes
Advanced Member
Victoria
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Posted - 28 Jul 2009 : 12:31:12 PM
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John, nobody would make the calls because what was being offered was unacceptable.
I am sure that with a 125 race it is highly likely that those who entered last year would enter again.
They want to race, they just don't want to do it with 600cc machines on track with them.
Can we take it that if 10 or more enter they will get their own race?
We need this to be very clearly stated.
Cheers, John |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jul 2009 : 12:38:06 PM
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| 10 or more will result in a separate race for them with nothing but 125's. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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john feakes
Advanced Member
Victoria
791 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jul 2009 : 2:31:52 PM
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Great news.
Now we have to spread the word. |
125 RIDERS' ALLIANCE
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jul 2009 : 3:05:10 PM
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| That is what I have been trying to do! |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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Bummers
Level 3 Member
Queensland
244 Posts |
Posted - 01 Aug 2009 : 4:11:59 PM
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Is there a HMRAV website?
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“Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting.” Steve McQueen |
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Bummers
Level 3 Member
Queensland
244 Posts |
Posted - 01 Aug 2009 : 4:20:36 PM
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Alan Cotterell
In a time out state
Victoria
421 Posts |
Posted - 02 Aug 2009 : 08:33:56 AM
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| rather than a capacity upper limit of 600cc for that P5 class etc, wouldn't it be better to run P4/P5 125 to 350, and P4/P5 250 to 750? Also a 350cc to unlimited P4/P5? That way some guys would get two rides if they had a Triumph or Ducati 750 or a TZ350, but you would have races which resembled 'history'. Formula 750 actually existed somewhere I think? |
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Alan Cotterell
In a time out state
Victoria
421 Posts |
Posted - 02 Aug 2009 : 08:38:28 AM
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Jon, this is from yor program:
7. Post Classic 125cc to 350 & F / Era 125cc to 600 Solo
8. Post Classic over 350 & F/ Era over 600 Solo
Seems silly!! |
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revhd
Level 2 Member
Victoria
108 Posts |
Posted - 02 Aug 2009 : 3:25:28 PM
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| I,ve said before and i will say it again,just put ALL 125s in with the p3 250s were we where before and we will be happy,a separate race is not realy the issue ,we just do not want to be in with 600cc bikes, it is clear that you have never ridden a peaky 125 race bike they are totaly different to race than a 600 bikes,125s are all about corner speed which must be kept up, where as the big bikes brake hard into the corner and accelarate hard out of the corner ,the two different styles do not mix i realy cannot understand why HMRAV are so stubborn on this issue it will only hurt entrys in the long run. |
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Alan Cotterell
In a time out state
Victoria
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Posted - 02 Aug 2009 : 7:09:02 PM
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| Revhd,you are right, there is clearly a safety issue to be dealt with. It is a worry that organisers must be pursued over something like this, it is something which is obvious to anyone who races solos. How many Period 3 250cc bikes are racing anyhow? Someone said Craig Bondini is a woos for not wanting the 125s in a P3 250 race. It is more about not wanting to be made to look stupid when a 125 carves up your 250. Too bad, I saw Trevor Manly pass a whole field of modern 600s on a RS125. But it's a bit dangerous when you meet someone halfway thru a corner, and get cut off. |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 02 Aug 2009 : 8:50:40 PM
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We are not stuborn about it, we want to get it right having buggered it up before.
Rev head we have other 125 opinions that differ from yours. As I have stated many times I have never raced solos and know nothing other than waht riders have explained to me. It is not rocket science to state I have obviuosly not ridden a 125.
We accept people want change, we are happy to make cahnge, the best solution is a separate race, but we need entries. the numbers are there I have had them at the track before and John fealkes now has our list of entries from the past to chase up.
If you help him you it will be best. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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revhd
Level 2 Member
Victoria
108 Posts |
Posted - 02 Aug 2009 : 9:24:42 PM
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John you say you want to get right,so is putting 125s in with p5 600s is that getting it right?
I do not think so.. |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 03 Aug 2009 : 07:43:03 AM
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FUKKKING HLLLLL
How many times to I have to say, and when will you realise we accept we made a mistake with the 600's.
I am human you can only push my face in the mud so many times and then I will react.
I have reached the stage when I am wondering why bother with you people.
We are trying to get a solution, you 125 riders are the best people to promote the 125's.
I can say the endless banter that is simply a repeat of the previous banter is a waste of time.
On behalf of the club I have presented the ideal outcome, if you blokes spent your time tracking down 125 riders instead of trying to score the same point time and time again, you may have the bikes alreadlined up.
I can say this topic has taken more time than it took me to design, publish and hand around the brochures seeking new sidecar teams to racing. I paid for that myself so I could race against bigger fields than 4.
Its about time you blokes did the same, but I gain the impression you all will sit back, do nothing, then complain because the club has done nothing for you.
So pull your fingers out and get moving.
For the umpteenthed time, contact John Feakes he is trying to rouse the riders.
The ball is in YOUR court. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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Alan Cotterell
In a time out state
Victoria
421 Posts |
Posted - 03 Aug 2009 : 08:04:29 AM
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| jon,I appreciate you have a difficult job. But this 125 thing shows a big deficit in the way we all ha ve been thinking. The HMRAV policy of only catering for the bikes that have turned up in the past, is a spiral into nothingness. The race classes need to be set to try and bring out the older bikes like the ones that turn up to the old farts meetings/ There are still bike s liuke the old jeff curley triumph and dug gorrie's rockert three which never come out to play because of the way the race classes have been for yonks. The stupid rules and race classes have allowede certain bikes to dominate, and kill off the opposition. |
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john feakes
Advanced Member
Victoria
791 Posts |
Posted - 03 Aug 2009 : 10:45:55 AM
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Guys, IT IS TIME TO STOP PICKING ON JOHN DALEY.
He has a whole race meeting to organise.
I am trying to organise the 125s.
I am making progress but I would appreciate any help I can get. From YOU.
I am available on (03) 9486 3852 or tadpole37@optusnet.com.au
I should be trying to get my own bike ready (and the silly old sod who thinks he will ride it) not chasing up you lot.
Come on, I'm not your mum.
Cheers, John |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 03 Aug 2009 : 11:23:30 AM
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Glen 20, the HMRAv policy is not based solely on who has entered in the past. If particular numbers of machines enter we amend the proposed program.
The 350 / 500 Classic s came to us for a deal to split themselves, we told them what we needed and they got on the phones and introduced enough bikes to keep the races separated. The sidecars did the same, we had as little as 4 machines turning up, now we have 20 -35.
The club can only run what turns up.
Somebody recently mentioned the old Formulae 750, thatw as something we tried to promote and ebven had a special award for pushrod 750's but only 1 or 2 stayed, the rest just did not front.
In my experience a lot of thses bikes will not turn up because they dont think they will win, I have had that stated many times. There are only about 150 who are happy to race and see how they go, there are something like 1500 log booked historic bikes so they are somewhere.
Iin NSW the Classic solo blokes are complaining there are no races for them in NSW, yet only one of them have contacted their club to ask why.
Lethargy is alive and well.
With regard to the calsses and capacities, what alternative is possible. I will state a new topic on thsi matter.
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John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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Alan Cotterell
In a time out state
Victoria
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Posted - 03 Aug 2009 : 7:13:05 PM
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| Jon, Mr Feakes has put up a good idea about running in capacity classes instead of periods. It's worth a try, but you don't have to jump in off the deep end. A progressive approach might achieve a better result |
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Patrick
Level 3 Member
Victoria
314 Posts |
Posted - 03 Aug 2009 : 8:23:12 PM
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John and John,
If you can get all the gunnas to sign up then I will ask the MV executive to allow HMRAV to have Monday 26th at a very very special price for the Gunna Grand Prix.
Keep up the good work the club system is working very well. |
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john feakes
Advanced Member
Victoria
791 Posts |
Posted - 10 Aug 2009 : 1:52:45 PM
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Well guys, I've been off air for a few days due to technical problems beyond my control.
I'm back. How long for remains to be seen.
So, how are entries coming along?
We need to keep hammering away at this otherwise we will all go back to sleep.
Cheers, John |
125 RIDERS' ALLIANCE
A wise person simplifies the complicated, a fool complicates the simple. |
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revhd
Level 2 Member
Victoria
108 Posts |
Posted - 11 Aug 2009 : 5:49:52 PM
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Hartwell over 45s seniors meeting race program,,,,
Prewar+All 125s ALL ERAS+ Superlights
HMRAV please take note they think all 125s together is ok |
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Alan Cotterell
In a time out state
Victoria
421 Posts |
Posted - 11 Aug 2009 : 6:03:40 PM
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| Who ever said it wasn't OK to run all periods of 125s together? We just like to cause tension by having 600cc bikes blitz 125s in period 5 races! |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 11 Aug 2009 : 9:38:02 PM
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I dont think pre-war and all 125's is the same as an event with all 125's only.
As stated, get the numbers and you will get the event.
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John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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