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john
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Victoria
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 Posted - 23 May 2005 : 4:31:48 PM
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I am looking for ideas and support to create a growth class within Forgotten Era.
the basis of the idea is to encourage young blokes to come racing in Ba nd C grade on smaller than 600 cc machines. Hopefully they may stay with us but they may move to moderns on 600cc when they learn racecraft.
Basis of the plan is to provide a budget, safe and low key race environment for newcomers, so they will try Historic racing for a start and hopefully stay. If they move to open racing so be it.
It will need promotion through clubs and shops to be worthwhile.
Initial thoughts are as follows;
- Capacity 250cc
- limitations, no fairings, stock brakes, forks, stock shocks.
- Winners may be handicapped with weight restrictions to even the pack.
I am looking for critical input or encouragement
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John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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Alan
Forum Moderator
Western Australia
353 Posts |
Posted - 23 May 2005 : 10:56:08 PM
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John,
We in WA do something a little different which helps both our clubs by running C&D Grade Moderns & Thunderbikes at our Historic race days. This gives the newer modern riders extra track time while also helping to keep the cost of our entry fees down through the extra entries. It has proven to be very popular and we have had up to 30 entries from time to time. The downside is that the A & B Grade riders try to sneak in which we do not allow under any circumstances.
The other option that I would consider if you are trying to keep it as a cheap entry class is to run 250 Production, the rules are already written and the bikes are relatively cheap and easy to buy, plus the racing is close which teaches good track skills.
Alan Sidecar 21 WA |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
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Posted - 23 May 2005 : 11:44:41 PM
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I do not know where the 250 Proddy bikes have gone too, they just dont turn up.
We had a meeting tonight and came up with this idea.
The rational is to provide an opportunity for riders to enter competative racing on reasonable sized machines at a fair price. There is no allusion that this will be cheap, so please dont talk about "cheap" racing.
It is the imtension of this program to involve mentors for the riders to learn how to set up machines and lear racecraft.
The important part of the package is that this Class would be promoted heavily as an entry level of racing through magazines, bike shops and the web. It is not aimed at existing club members because they will have already made up their minds about what to race.
It will be aimed at people not racing at the moment.
The promotion will emphasise affordability, the enjoyment of coming along and playing with Historic racers, lower entry fees and realistic number of meetings per year.
If managed properly perhaps clubs other than Historic orientated clubs may pick it up ie Interclub and B and C grade meetings in Victoria.
We are looking at having it sponsored by somebody who will cover the cost of printing brochures which will blitz the town in shops, Two Wheel Torque, In Pit Lane community TV, and adverts in mags for a 2 year period to kick start the idea. Budget about $2000 for two years, whose in! [ design is already covered]
We will only run it with this promotion, because otherwise we dont believe it will get up and run.
We intend to promote entry through the HMRAV in Victoria as the entry level to racing this class. We intend to use it as a breeder class for Historics and if some drift off into moderns so be it.
Proposal
250 Formula S draft4
RESTRICTIONS
"A" graders cannot enter this event.
All machines must run with 18" treaded tyres.
All frames must be steel.
Machines must be in a presentable manner.
Some consideration for 2/4 stroke is needed. Maybe separate trophies if numbers are up, the same as buckets. Maybe 4 stroke only.
We dont want to finish up with 20 bikes and 25 trophies either. More talk to settle this one.
No prize money will be paid
RULES
The basic philosophy of this Formula is building of racing machines and development of new riders.
Any single cylinder machine configured to suit each applicable class, Classic, Post Class, Forgotten Era or Modern can enter this Formula.
Road,Trail or Moto X engines in any frames are encouraged.
All existing rules in the GCR's will apply for every machine.
Machines entering the the Classic, Post Classic or Forgotten Era must have log books otherwise they will be entered as Moderns.
To cater for all potential machines including Moderns any Permit application will include a Modern event to permit Moderns to enter this event, subject to final approval.
All Classes to race against each other for overall placings with trophies for each class if sufficient numbers enter. ie 10 each class [ an important part of this series].
The advantage of having log books of course would be that whilst this event may not run at an Australian Historic Champs, the historic bikes themselves can compete within the traditional classes.
This would be something different from what is on offer at Modern meetings for smaller machines.
What do you think of this idea?
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John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
Edited by - john on 24 May 2005 5:53:46 PM |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 24 May 2005 : 10:07:24 PM
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Ok we have been getting support for this idea from some unlikely places, more later. I am surprised not much comment has come from the site with 64 views.
If we dont get new riders coming in from the end as others retire we will not have anybody to race against, or does not this matter?
I have calmed down now but need feedback, please help if you can with mentoring, ideas to improve it. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
Edited by - john on 25 May 2005 09:10:56 AM |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 24 May 2005 : 10:57:09 PM
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I have transferred all discussion documents relating to this category to another web site where those interested will manage the program.
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John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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David
Site Administrator
Australia
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Posted - 25 May 2005 : 12:19:05 PM
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| How about a link to the site John? I was interested in following it. |
Regards,
David
Webmaster & Owner of Classic Motorcycling Australia
Quote: I thought I wanted a career, turns out I just wanted to be paid. |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 25 May 2005 : 5:19:45 PM
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You must be logged in to see this link.
I have broken it into separate sections, planning, Rules, Promotion and Rationale
Any feedback is welcome and we need advise to ensure the class is not stuffed up by bad rules and cheats. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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yamaman
Level 2 Member
Western Australia
44 Posts |
Posted - 25 May 2005 : 9:45:08 PM
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| Sounds great John, would a single model class be feasable? Perhaps a RD LC cup or CB 250's. Something that there is still plenty of examples around of that creates a level playing field. |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 26 May 2005 : 08:56:23 AM
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| convince me there are the bikes and interest and I reckon we could include it somehow. But I need evidence. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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