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David
Site Administrator
Australia
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 Posted - 22 Jul 2006 : 3:27:02 PM
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beezerman, I am not trying to discourage historic racing at all, I am trying to get more in to it. This site was setup for historic racing and not promoting "Modern's" as Alan C is trying to do. The rule book clearly states what is counted and if they bring in the 1980's to 1990's in a new class, that is fine, but until it is in the historic group, then we do not promote them here, hence the name of the site: Classic Motorcycling Australia
Alan C, wake up. Do I go on to other web sites and go out of scope with what the forum/topic is about as you are going on all the time. It is quite clear that this web site is a historic related web site and Period 6, New Era 1 & 2 are not covered by the terms Historic at this stage and you should not waffle on and carry on about it. As soon as you get them changed, come back and I will allow it.
The images you have shown have noting to do with this site and can not tell other sites what they can or can not show if it is not images from this site. Again, you need to know that this web site is not yours and the rules are simple, we do not want to see "modern's" promoted here.
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David
Webmaster & Owner of Classic Motorcycling Australia
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
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Posted - 22 Jul 2006 : 3:35:55 PM
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Sorry John and David, This is the one I meant to paste. I've actually thought of building a replica, it wouldn't be that difficult, ecept that instead of only having 138 BHP like the original, it would have around 170!
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David
Site Administrator
Australia
999 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jul 2006 : 3:38:17 PM
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| Keep pushing the bounds there Alan C. They are clearly not in the group that is known as Historic and anymore and I start to remove the lot. |
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David
Webmaster & Owner of Classic Motorcycling Australia
Quote: I thought I wanted a career, turns out I just wanted to be paid. |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
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Posted - 22 Jul 2006 : 10:12:53 PM
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David, A while back I asked you why 98 per cent of visitors to this site don't post messages. I must be a bit thick, it's pretty obvious. I started out asking for expressions of interest about what t he guys might like from an historic MX meeting at Winton. It ended up in a debate about 'moderns', and what you would 'permit' on this site in the way of postings.
I'm sorry, I'm just not interested . Your stupid dictating on this site just destroys my enthusiasm for historic racing. I don't think I'll be doing that any more. If I can I'll move back to Allpowers C Grade and club racing, and sell my historic bikes off overseas. It always was a much better option!
I don't think you'd know a 'modern' from your own backside, so I'll say goodbye now. Good luck with your web site. It's not for me.
Best Regards,
Alan Cotterell
P.S. I'll bet you remove this message from the site!
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David
Site Administrator
Australia
999 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jul 2006 : 10:31:28 PM
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The reason why the other 98% don't get on here is because of narrow minded fools like you. Even David White said that you were an idiot and bad for the sport during a meeting with Allan G there. The dribble that comes out of that keyboard of yours is bad for the sport, so go else where and sulk in a corner.
You could not handle it with the 2004 debacle when you were quizzed about it, and now you can not handle it when I clearly state what this site is about and it is not what you want it to be. Just like a little boy with his ball, because you don't get your own way, you run off to mummy.
So no I am not going to edit your topic, it was the way you felt, and that is fine, just goes to add to you being a total dick. |
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David
Webmaster & Owner of Classic Motorcycling Australia
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matcho mick
Advanced Member
New South Wales
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Posted - 22 Jul 2006 : 11:02:31 PM
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David,David,David,oh why do you continually rise to the bait,why do you not see through all the bull****,the bleatings of one lost in his own wilderness,ignore it & hopefully(apparently ) it will simply go away, |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
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Posted - 23 Jul 2006 : 09:11:46 AM
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| Thank you, Patrick (I've just become a 'lurker') |
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Alan
Forum Moderator
Western Australia
353 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jul 2006 : 10:54:55 PM
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Alan C, As David has already stated you are the only one actively pushing this particular wheelbarrow. Several Clubs have decided to run various formats apart from the ones defined in the GCRs as you have pointed out with Period 5 and New Era 1 and 2, our Club for example also runs a rolling 20 year cut off date to try to generate some extra interest in later machines than the Historic Periods as defined by MA so currently you could run a pre 1986 machine in this class. We also cater for Buckets, superlites, sportlites whatever you like to call them and also have a Clubmans class which caters for all machines prior to swinging arm configuration, ie rigid or plunger framed machines, we also include races for Thunderbikes and C&D Grade Moderns so almost everyone can be catered for if you look around and are imaginative enough to do something about it. I suggest a couple of options for you to consider, come to WA and ride with us and we will find a way of accomodating you and your machine, join a real club join the committee and put all your good ideas into practice, or maybe the most effective way would be to get get on the Historic Commission and work from the inside, if you dont like any of the preceding ideas maybe just submit ideas to the Commission and let them do what they can for you. The easiest way out though is to do nothing but whinge in the background like most people do and just undermine the fantastic sport the rest of us currently enjoy. Confirmation of how good our sport is was shown in Tasmania last year and will be proven again in South Australia in November. Be there or be square as they say.
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mcmartin
Level 1 Member
Queensland
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Posted - 07 Dec 2006 : 1:25:15 PM
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Is it just me, or do we need a separate forum for just David and Alan ? ;-)
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David
Site Administrator
Australia
999 Posts |
Posted - 07 Dec 2006 : 5:04:46 PM
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Well Martin, you see we need more input from others, and that is why you mainly see only a couple of users.
But keeping on the topic, after going to this years Australian Historic Road Racing Championships at Mount Gambier, there was no sign of moderns racing at that meeting and it shaped up to be one of the best racing events I have been to or seen in the amount of time I have been dealing with Historic racing in Australia. |
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David
Webmaster & Owner of Classic Motorcycling Australia
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popeye
Level 2 Member
Western Australia
187 Posts |
Posted - 15 Dec 2006 : 11:36:55 PM
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The nationals are the ultimate showcase of Historic motorcycling and rightly so, but my grandkids will only see this years crop of winners in pictures and museums.
I am currently monitoring a thread on a popular WA sportsbike site that has over a dozen young people chasing and buying up all the early 80's two strokes they can get their hands on, if those kids can be persuaded to enter a junior class in rule 20 you have a respectable addition to your grid and the multiplication of mates/family etc. being exposed to the sport.
The other shock to me was having several of these chaps approach me about helping them tune things like Gpz600's, K3 750's, GSX750's and Z500's that they are collecting (and riding) as something different to their day to day rides.
Do we tell these guys to P off and wrap themselves round a lamp post or get them on the track and actively encourage them (why should the Govt. get their $$ in fines when we could get it in memberships and entry fees)............. this forum and the Historic community in general have a lot to offer but you have to hold your hand out first.........
I admire the hell out of the organisation over here for growing and moving forward with things.
will get back in my hole and sniff more castor oil now!! |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 18 Dec 2006 : 10:08:58 PM
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| Currently clubs cater for the post 1908 machines so they can actually join a club and race today. |
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popeye
Level 2 Member
Western Australia
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Posted - 20 Dec 2006 : 11:13:53 PM
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| South of the Brisbane Line that is the case, but if modern grids there fill up like they are here the 1980-90 bikes wont have a home, they could'nt even take on the new junior class here. We will always differ on this one John and I respect your opinion, but if us young puppies are going to have a title meeting in 2030, something has to give. I would rather see it done under the guidance and good will of the present elder statesmen than have a separate entity created which would further tax the resources currently and forseeably available for motorcycle road racing in this country. |
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john feakes
Advanced Member
Victoria
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Posted - 23 May 2007 : 1:52:59 PM
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| Hi guys, sorry, I always was a slow starter and sadly I am new to this forum. I only wish I had discovered it years ago instead of having computer use only at work. Why is there so much bickering? That some of you could even suggest that this site should be closed is terrible. Shame on you! So, is not an historic bike only yesterday's modern bike? It seems to me that historic bikes are, by definition, a thing of the past and should be preserved for the future. Surely the only issue that needs to be resolved is "what constitutes an historic bike?" I would suggest that anything that is not modern must be historic. I don't think this is necessarily an age thing, it can be just as much a technological development thing. Can I suggest that those of you who have old modern bikes that don,t classify as period 5 seek to find others with similar bikes and approach M.A. with a view to getting the rules updated to include your kind of bikes. Logically period 5 with its 1980 cut off cannot remain the end of historical classification. Can we have a logical discussion on this subject please? Cheers, John |
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Gosling1
Level 2 Member
Australian Capital Territory
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Posted - 14 Jun 2007 : 7:54:09 PM
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The new classes introduced by the PCRA a couple of years ago, New Era 1 1981-1989 (P6) and New Era 2 1990-1995 (P7), have still not been officially recognised by MA as *Historic* classes per se. The PCRA introduced these classes simply as a method of bringing more competitors to their meetings.
It has been a succesful move - the NE1 and NE2 classes have seen an increasing number of bikes attend the PCRA club rounds. This is a good thing for the club and its members.
Some of my mates from Vic are racing with Hartwell, in order to race their 'Pre-Moderns' (basically the equivalent of the NE1 class in NSW), and they are loving the opportunity to do so. Otherwise, their bikes would just sit and rot in the shed.......
I don't agree with a rolling 10-year cutoff, this simply compounds the issue of earlier-model bikes being uncompetitive after a few seasons. Far better to have a consistent approach with Periods and cut-off dates. I think that within a few years, MA will grant *Historic* status to the NE1 bikes, which are between almost 20 and 30 years old already !! How old does a bike have to be before it is considered *Historic* ???
Like it or lump it, an FZ750N, or a GSX750H has as much 'Historic' significance to another generation of riders, as a G50 Matchie does to the baby-boomers, and sooner or later these and other similiar bikes will have to be added to the *Classic* category.
Viva La Revolutione !! ;-)
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
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Posted - 14 Jun 2007 : 8:12:12 PM
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It is all well and good to want to get to race your bike.
But waht I dont understand is why does it matter if you go to a modern, a club or an Historic meeting.
But from an Historic adminstrators pooint of view an extra class at the moment would be difficult. Sure they could technicaly be just added to an existing race, but it does create a shamozzle.
If the PCRA also ran pre-war and classic on top of what they do I an sure you wouldsee what I mean. I hear it can be a bit caotic at the Barry Sheene momorial because of all the classes.
I think the current spread works well for everybody and does not need change.
Remember when Historic racing started there was linited scope for the oldies, but I believe today there is a pretty good chance for anybody to race any era of bike regularly so and the separations make it possible. |
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Gosling1
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Australian Capital Territory
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Posted - 14 Jun 2007 : 9:02:22 PM
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the '07 BSM attracted over 300 entries.....guaranteed to cause chaos ;-) - and best race of the day was in the Blue Riband 500GP class - the stoush between Glen Kelleher and Mike Farrell was outstanding !!
I guess the NE1 and NE2 guys in NSW have been encouraged by PCRA to boost numbers, and there were no other clubs with classes where bike almost 30 years old could race competitively ?
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Dave
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
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Posted - 29 Aug 2007 : 05:02:23 AM
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When Peter LOrd and Derek Pickard of the Velocette Owners Club ran the first 'Historic Demo' at Winton, there were Strawb Thompson, Russell King, Richard Bendell, Steve Oszko, and myself involved. We were asked to run, and represent what could eventuate. The date was October 1973. All of the bikes dated from mid fifties. That is they were 18 years old, NOT 25. The story was that the guys wanted to 'preserve old racing bikes'. At the time I had taced the Triumph for 8 years. It was hopelessly outclassed in Allpowers C Grade, and rarely ever got raced in anything other than unlimited (it was 500cc).
The point is that they didn't stop making collectable racing bikes in 1980. There were plenty of good bikes worth 'preserving' from the 80s. I said 'WERE'. The point is that we've lost sight of the original objective. Just try to buy a decent 80s TZ these days, and then try to race it!! We aren't really continuing the original concept of 'historic racing'. As much as anyone I love pre 80s Bikes. I also love OWO1s,RC30s, RC45s, GSXR 1100s, Katanas, and GPZ900Rs. They also have their place in history!! |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
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Posted - 29 Aug 2007 : 10:54:58 PM
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Al, I think their time will come. But from what I hear in 1973 there were limited racing opportunities for the earlier machines and in fact when I started racing in about 1970, I never heard about old bikes at all.
Today there are many meetings for bikes of many eras so the case surely cannot be as strong as in 1973.
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
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Posted - 30 Aug 2007 : 08:30:47 AM
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In the early 70s the only classes in which you could run an old bike were allpowers C grade and Allpowers B grade, you got about two or three rides and two practice sessions at each meeting. There were about four of us who used to turn up with pre 62 bikes. Derek Pickard and Peter Lord started 'historic racing' simply through pure enthusiasm for old bikes, and that's OK. But those of use with an interest in racing our authentic stuff from the fifties were happy enough with Allpowers C grade! In the early 70s the guys all had RD350s, and got 4 rides per meeting. In Allpowers C grade the opposition rode H2 Kawasakis, Z900s, and CB750s. On my short stroke Triumph 500, I could keep up with H2s with standard pipes, but one with chambers was quicker. I'd absolutely cream a standard CB750, and I didn't see which way a good Z900 went!
These days when you guys run all bikes of the one period together regardless of capacity, the racing is nothing like Allpowers C Grade in the early 70s, except that there are still bikes there which outclass everything else!
John Feakes comment that it's the 'TYPE' of bike you race against that matters, is the TRUTH. I suggest we need to review the way the classes are formed regardless of 'period'. The two stroke class you ran at Broadford with P4, and P5 bikes was excellent! It really made me feel like racing again! |
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fastsuzuki
Level 2 Member
Victoria
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Posted - 30 Aug 2007 : 7:33:43 PM
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| nice picture of the Crosby GS1000R. Would like to race something similar as it is definitely legal for period 5. This one has twin shocks which were superceded in the later models with a full floater system |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
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Posted - 31 Aug 2007 : 09:05:08 AM
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The crosby GS1000 (XR69) was a 'Forward Thrust' machine. That's the team Barry Sheene rode for. The bike had a two valve motor with race cams and a six speed close ratio box. I've seen Harris advertising replica kits. However the tank they use is off an easrly GSXR Suzuki. The back of it is wrong, it comes down to a point. A better tank would have been off the first GSXR with the upside-down forks (K model). I'm not being picky, the trouble is you can spot the bike as a replica from 100 metres away.
Even so the jigger would be marvellous to race. You couldn't afford the 6 speed CR box, but I'd be trying to fit a GSXR box to the early motor. There was a model of GSXR750R which had a close box. I know some people think you don't need the close box, I don't think they've ever used one. I believe the XR69 turned out 134 BHP - easy to get from a GSX1000 motor. |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
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Posted - 31 Aug 2007 : 09:16:42 AM
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| I believe the best looking 'late' bike ever was the RG500 GP bike. THe water colled TR500 was great but you'd never fond either bike these days. The XR69 had the same style in a four stroke bike. I've looked at the photos of it many times, and could never figure out if I could get the frame made to build a decent replica. I wonder what the Harris frames cost, and if they're faithful copies of the original? |
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