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 Posted - 02 Aug 2001 : 9:15:42 PM
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Last year NSW revived this class for the Aust Champs and the Island Classic followed last Jan. I have spoken to Dave Large at HMRAV (I am a member) and they will run it again at Winton in Oct, but according to the rules 10 bikes are needed for a Championship. Peter Scott will bring a couple but Peter feels that if it was a separate race more entries would be forthcoming as he thinks a few people have both 350 and 500 pre war bikes. It could be a great class -- no replicas, few "GUN" riders (apols to Fraser McM !!) relative cheap basic machines. (except silly old b's like me with KTT's but I wont keep going long ) consistent competitors in this class will pick up places regularly, e g Dunsters on the old Calthorpe last year.
How about some assistance with the lobbying ?
Also is a field of 10 bikes for a Champ race in Historic Vintage unrealistic
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acotrel
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Posted - 03 Aug 2001 : 05:58:21 AM
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I think a field of ten bikes in any race, is an argument for running the class concurrently with another, (such as prewar 500cc). I suggest we should think a bit laterally and find a formula for the 350cc prewar class, which will encourage riders to compete. I think the small fields and following for this class are due to lack of suitable bikes. If I wanted to compete in the prewar class (either 500 or 350), I wouldn't know where to start looking for a bike. Probably I'd build a BSA Empire Star, or Blue Star Replica, as parts would be fairly easy to get. Is there anyone still making girder forks and frames suitable for racing? If there isn't, it means using bikes which would be better restored.
I think what is needed is a commonly used bike of the era which is supported by an enthusiast group, something like a four valve Rudge or Excelsior Manxman. Who's going to make the bits?
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Posted - 07 Aug 2001 : 9:07:44 PM
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Posted - 07 Aug 2001 : 9:29:33 PM
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Furthur to my remarks re pre war 350, yes Alan up to 10 bikes could be run with unlimited but suggestion was(actually Peter Scott) if we run separate race a few times maybe we could encourage larger entries. I really meant according to GCR's 10 bikes have to front up to be a Championship Is this too many for an old class at present ?? RE promoting class There are bikes around, and if someone really wants to go racing there are plenty of mac velo's and a few mov,s plus where are the old triumphs (3gl) tele forks and all pre 1944 . THere are many basket cases in "just bikes" from time to time. plus up to 1948 KSS and pre war KTT velos. Even UK prices would allow import if someone wanted to get into the class. I am really only trying to provoke thought ., Racing is an expensive business but surely the pre war 350 class could be less so if it could be got going... Most racers are either engineering tradesmen or have close ties with same re making bits. e.g Velo Club has excellent spares service. Competitive racing does not have to be the fastest
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P S your notes re methanol interesting , having trouble with my mov on a Mk2 Amal will try petrol needle, currently methanol is polluting oil.
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acotrel
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Victoria
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Posted - 08 Aug 2001 : 01:14:05 AM
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Bruce, my suggestion is that you and your friends choose one bike and support it. I haven't seen many KSS Velo's in my lifetime, let alone now, I just don't know where you'd get one. If I did find one I don't think I'd race it, it'd be a bit valuable.
My suggestion would be to start specialising in Rudge bits, make heads barrels and crankcases and use Jawa internals. I don't know what gearbox you'd use. In my experience the boxes from that era broke easily. I know of prewar Triumph boxes which have been remachined to take the five gear cluster - this is garbage. What is needed is one supported bike which can win races, and which is eligible and genuine. It would be the mainstay.
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acotrel
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Victoria
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Posted - 13 Aug 2001 : 10:04:03 AM
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Bruce,
Are the engine and gearbox from an Enfield India eligible for pre war racing? Could be a good way for people to get into the sport relatively cheaply, if they are eligible. We'd still need to find rigid frames and girder forks somewhere.
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