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littledoug
Level 2 Member
Victoria
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 Posted - 01 Mar 2007 : 12:08:51 PM
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There is a sidecar for sale on ebay tell your friends the more the merrier,i know it is in Qld but u dont see them verry often. As i am self employed with my own machine shop (basic) i can also help with prepration , set up and manufacture of components the price will be right any thing to get more sidecars out there
Doug
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Lethal le
Level 2 Member
Queensland
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Posted - 16 Nov 2008 : 03:17:03 AM
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Originally posted by littledoug
There is a sidecar for sale on ebay tell your friends the more the merrier,i know it is in Qld but u dont see them verry often. As i am self employed with my own machine shop (basic) i can also help with prepration , set up and manufacture of components the price will be right any thing to get more sidecars out there
Doug
Hi Littledoug,What is the sidecar? I live in Townsville.I have just signed on to CMA & have a interest in sidecars.Please come back to me Le. |
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littledoug
Level 2 Member
Victoria
35 Posts |
Posted - 18 Nov 2008 : 08:20:59 AM
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G,day Le
Goog to hear of someone else interisted in sidecars ,That one was sold to a guy in wangaratta vic he is trying to get it back out again. How is the new track in townsille coming along will they have historic racing there ? .I am curently putting a motor (honda) in another chassis and hope to have a bike for sale within 6 mounths
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peen0_0
Level 3 Member
Victoria
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Posted - 18 Nov 2008 : 3:13:55 PM
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There's an FE Sidecar on EBay at the moment for $6K.
Its down in Mt. Gambier.
Cheers, Tony. |
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Lethal le
Level 2 Member
Queensland
25 Posts |
Posted - 18 Nov 2008 : 3:24:02 PM
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Originally posted by littledoug
G,day Le
Goog to hear of someone else interisted in sidecars ,That one was sold to a guy in wangaratta vic he is trying to get it back out again. How is the new track in townsille coming along will they have historic racing there ? .I am curently putting a motor (honda) in another chassis and hope to have a bike for sale within 6 mounths
Doug
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Lethal le
Level 2 Member
Queensland
25 Posts |
Posted - 18 Nov 2008 : 3:53:31 PM
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Hi Doug, Good to hear from you,the track in Townsville is for the V8'S it is on public road's.I do not see any other form of racing getting to have a go !!!I have a 1971 A65L BSA Lighting,I am going to make into a road race sidecar.I have no idea on reg's as yet,what class would it be in? Can I get drawings off any one for leading link front forks & or a sidecar frame,also where to get fairing, rear seat, sidecar mudguard etc;
The best Le. |
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Lethal le
Level 2 Member
Queensland
25 Posts |
Posted - 18 Nov 2008 : 6:45:56 PM
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Hi Doug, Sorry there is a Go-kart track which they run bikes on, Bucket's & the like.Bit small, they are trying to put a small size engine formula together for sidecars.
Le. |
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john feakes
Advanced Member
Victoria
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Posted - 19 Nov 2008 : 09:16:51 AM
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Hi Le, there is a sidecar for sale on this site which came off a featherbed frame.
Check it out.
I really don't know how you would go with your BSA. It would be P3 style, but may not qualify as it is too recent. Was that model made prior to 1963?
You need help from someone more familiar with sidecar rules.
Good luck, John |
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Lethal le
Level 2 Member
Queensland
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Posted - 19 Nov 2008 : 4:56:53 PM
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| Thanks John,I have no idea when A65's started.I tried to get details on that sidecar in the auction area but was unable to.I really need to get more info;Motorcycle aust;should be able to supply me with the info;on reg's & the BSA Club in UK would know about the A65's .Kirbys A65 sidecar won the 1966 IOM TT I believe .Didn't Chris Vincent have A65 ? Life is getting correct for me. The best Le. |
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Alan
Forum Moderator
Western Australia
353 Posts |
Posted - 19 Nov 2008 : 11:02:47 PM
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A65s first came out in 1962 but were single carb only. Some have been Log Booked with twin carb heads. It may pay to contact the Historic Commission to find out the current status.
Alan Sidecar 21 WA |
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Lethal le
Level 2 Member
Queensland
25 Posts |
Posted - 20 Nov 2008 : 12:22:54 AM
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Thanks Alan.
Le. |
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Jeff
Level 2 Member
New South Wales
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Posted - 20 Nov 2008 : 9:47:17 PM
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You don't need to run a single carb, just the earlier head off the Thunderbolt. The best one I have seen in a sidecar ran a Weber carby and looked neat and was quick.
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matcho mick
Advanced Member
New South Wales
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Posted - 20 Nov 2008 : 11:38:51 PM
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Le,if you want to learn about A65 outfits chase up Warren Johnson,& Peter(maybe try contact through Brit Bits in Brizzy?)the Black Rat outfit crew,few more A65 guys in Brizzy too,their names escape me,(sorry Bill),cheers |
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Lethal le
Level 2 Member
Queensland
25 Posts |
Posted - 21 Nov 2008 : 08:35:07 AM
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| Thanks Blokes ,I am very new to this, is there a difference between Historic & classic .If so what are the years etc? Dumb question !! Le. |
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john feakes
Advanced Member
Victoria
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Posted - 22 Nov 2008 : 08:16:09 AM
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Le, the historic periods are:-
P1 Veteran up to 31st December 1919
P2 Vintage 1.1.20 to 31.12.45
P3 Classic 1.1.46 to 31.12.62
P4 Post Classic 1.1.63 to 31.12.72
P5 Forgotten Era 1.1.73 to 31.12.80
Within these cut off dates there is some leeway whereby a machine made after the cut off date can be "back dated" if the model was in production prior to the cut off date and was unchanged from the original version.
Hope this helps.
Cheers, John |
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Lethal le
Level 2 Member
Queensland
25 Posts |
Posted - 22 Nov 2008 : 1:27:06 PM
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| Hay thanks John,It's good to catch up with the P'S &&&'S.I will go for the P4'S so I can run the Lighting as original .Mick the Co; you mentioned in Brisbane is it BJ'S Bikes & Bits ? . Thanks to you both Le. |
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GD66
Senior Member
Western Australia
390 Posts |
Posted - 22 Nov 2008 : 7:52:38 PM
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| Le, welcome and good on you for catching the sidecar bug, but PLEASE get along to a club or attach yourself to an existing classic racer, and get hold of a current Manual of Motorcycle Sport, the MA race rulebook. Nothing is more distressing than a burst of new blood like yourself getting all fired up, ripping into a racebike build, then turning up to go racing only to be confronted by a wall of prohibitive rules and regulations requiring major mods to your machine, because you have built it guided by blind ambition or bad advice from well-meaning but ill-informed friends. Please read the rulebook sections that pertain to your class of choice, then look at what is running reliably or winning in that class, figure out a budget, and then commence your build. I'm not trying to be a wet blanket here Le, but it's extremely disappointing when newbies get cut off at the knees from lack of direction, and usually vanish, vowing never to return. It's the best bang-for-your-buck motor sport, I believe, so get stuck in mate, and go your hardest, but please, please do your homework before ripping into it ! Best wishes, and enjoy building your racer. |
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Lethal le
Level 2 Member
Queensland
25 Posts |
Posted - 23 Nov 2008 : 02:00:33 AM
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| OK GD66,I shall get the rule book,thanks Le. |
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john feakes
Advanced Member
Victoria
791 Posts |
Posted - 23 Nov 2008 : 08:09:50 AM
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Well said GD66. Words of wisdom indeed.
Ignore them at your peril.
Le,it may be worth getting in touch with Q.E.M.S.C. Doug Aitchison on 3890 5674 and also have a chat to Motorcycling Queensland
Lindsay Granger 3281 2255 to get a rule book.
Cheers, John |
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VMX247
Level 1 Member
Western Australia
17 Posts |
Posted - 23 Nov 2008 : 4:53:48 PM
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You have a choice to race on dirt if you wish too. 
www.vmxwa.com.au
www.sidecarcross.com.au
Australian Sidecar Cross
I have just flagged at the National Road Racing here in West Aussie and it looks heeps easier on the old body as a passenger than on the dirt though. 
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West Aust Sidecar Accord.
Pre 75 of course.Is there any other! |
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Lethal le
Level 2 Member
Queensland
25 Posts |
Posted - 23 Nov 2008 : 5:06:56 PM
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Thanks John, It's like that bloke in a film said; "bend over & I'll look up your name & address".  Le. |
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Lethal le
Level 2 Member
Queensland
25 Posts |
Posted - 24 Nov 2008 : 12:50:21 PM
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| Well,I've got a rule book on the way,I thank all of you for your help.I see that P4 & P5 sidecars ran this last weekend (22nd/23rd)& Honda's top the list in P4,same year,(or about)as my old BSA.Is there a message there for me.I am still going ahead with the BSA.Would they have run some of the older bikes in with the P4's? Thanks again,I'm sure I will have more dumb Q'S & comments in the future Le. |
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GD66
Senior Member
Western Australia
390 Posts |
Posted - 24 Nov 2008 : 7:36:05 PM
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| Far from it, there are no dumb questions and as you can see, historic racing is full of helpful people. Full results of the historic nats at natsoft.com.au, and a great weekend for the Queensland crews who hauled all the way to WA and came away with great results, hats off from us in the West for making the effort. |
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john feakes
Advanced Member
Victoria
791 Posts |
Posted - 25 Nov 2008 : 08:05:29 AM
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Le, I think one thing to keep in mind is the type of outfit you want to end up with.
If you want your BSA to have a sidecar attached to it you really should see if and how you can log book it as P3.
If, on the other hand, you want to create a low flying U.F.O.then P4 would be the target. Get yourself involved and talk to as many people (racers)as you can. Remember the old adage "measure twice, cut once".
There are traps for the unwary in this sport. Being Melbourne based I am not really familiar with the Queensland scene so can't offer any specific details of who to talk to. However, Bernie Summers may be a good one to talk to initially, bummers@internode.on.net Bernie, although a solo racer, would be aware of what happens up there.
Proceed with caution and have fun on the journey.
Cheers, John |
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Lethal le
Level 2 Member
Queensland
25 Posts |
Posted - 25 Nov 2008 : 08:31:33 AM
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Thanks John ,To be honest I do not know any one in classic racing.Having some one to talk to would be a great help.Also I need to join a club,again I do not know any as far classic racing go's.The Townsville M/C club I am told is very good.Big leaning curve for me.
Luck always Le. |
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Matt Morgan
Level 2 Member
Victoria
89 Posts |
Posted - 25 Nov 2008 : 12:20:52 PM
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| Le, the only dumb questions are the ones you don't ask! |
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Lethal le
Level 2 Member
Queensland
25 Posts |
Posted - 25 Nov 2008 : 1:42:06 PM
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| Matt,I drink to that. Le. |
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Lethal le
Level 2 Member
Queensland
25 Posts |
Posted - 01 Dec 2008 : 04:01:41 AM
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| Hi,I'm still waiting on my rule book. 1ST of DEC; that's scary.It can be a pres'y from M.A.Well some way some how I hope to be up on three wheels next year.Thanks again for all your help.Have a great Christmas & a fruitful new year. Le. |
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Ben
Honda CB350 Racers Promotion - Moderator
Victoria
288 Posts |
Posted - 01 Dec 2008 : 09:45:14 AM
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Le, you can download the Rule Book from the MA website at You must be logged in to see this link.
Glen, agree with John; very good advice! I have recently had a "reality check" with my period three solo build...... After a few purchases of not so great parts caused, to be honest by a lack of knowledge and a niave faith, I have already blown my budget for the project (and only have a couple of crates of parts to show for it!) and now either have to pack in the project for now and move on to something else, or just call it quits with period three and stick with my honda.... we'll see.
A lesson learned the hard way, but it pays to work out in detail exactly what you want the bike to be capable of before starting out - including whether you can find people out there to assist you with engineering etc. It is amazing how many parts need to be remade or fabricated just to make the engine raceable, let alone competitive! I think I could have just started with a set of cases instead of a complete motor and still be in the same place!
Biggest lesson - I am convinced that there are no bargain parts out there anymore and 9 times out of 10 it is better to have custom parts made than stuffing about with old stuff......
Cheers and good luck - look forward to seeking the BSA in action. From one newbie to another it is worth going into this with your eyes well open to avoid disappointment!! (unless of course you already have a shed full of bits to use!!)
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Lethal le
Level 2 Member
Queensland
25 Posts |
Posted - 01 Dec 2008 : 2:21:43 PM
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| Thanks BEN,The A65 BSA is a well proven sidecar engine,the Pome's got them blowing the door's off every thing else in there day.I think it's a question of money,the part's are out there.If I won lotto I would still race the BSA.Just put it in a box & send it to a engine builder.Life is getting short for some of us.Or better still buy one ready to race.Yea I know building it is half the fun & I fully agree with that,but what if it take's the time you have left????? I don't have the money so it's got to be, half the fun first. Cheers Le. |
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Ben
Honda CB350 Racers Promotion - Moderator
Victoria
288 Posts |
Posted - 01 Dec 2008 : 3:31:41 PM
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You got it: Money it is!!! Ahhhh what a frustrating relationship money and dreams have eh? (Dammit).
Imagine the fields if we could all afford to pay for the race build!! Although it would be pretty boring if we were all on pro-built bikes - a fleet of molnar manxes would be sight the first time, but would get tiresome! (maybe)
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