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john feakes
Advanced Member
Victoria
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 Posted - 25 Feb 2008 : 10:03:08 AM
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Cheers, John |
125 RIDERS' ALLIANCE
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GD66
Senior Member
Western Australia
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Posted - 25 Feb 2008 : 7:58:48 PM
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Due process ? That's a laugh ! What about their farcical introduction of the rule to add end covers to the crankshaft covers of all machines in the Australian title series this year, one of the most poorly-thought out, ambiguously-worded, hotch-potches ever. For us humans, a remit is tendered, voted upon, accepted or rescinded, and then in due process, introduced in the following season. But not their End Cover rule, based I am sure upon a kneejerk reaction to an incident at the wet Eastern Creek finale to last season's title chase. And what a ballsup it is.
What you're doing here is not an attempt to invoke some dastardly plot of treason, but to assist the safety of competitors at the request of volunteer marshals. I say, go for it, introduce the stickers and stick them on the edge of the number disc !  |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 25 Feb 2008 : 10:50:01 PM
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My committee of the HMRAV has decided to run with the stickers as a safety issue.
They have decided to encourage their use at the Vic. Historic Titles 2008 and will back the idea to have MA accept the suggestion to bring it in as a national rule for Historics. They also will look into flaggie training to ensure greater benefit will be gained by the identification of methanol using machines.
There are issues of location to be finalised.
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John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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trifield12
Level 1 Member
Victoria
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Posted - 26 Feb 2008 : 1:22:13 PM
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amazing how all these ideas come and go as the years go by,seems like another case of lets make some more rules.so if the flagy cannot see the sticker does that mean the methenol bike aint burning?
treat all the bikes as if there using the stuff. |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 26 Feb 2008 : 2:16:21 PM
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No its not a matter of more rules. Its amatter of reminding people that Methanol is around.
the cars had the same contempt for straightforward management of fuel about 30 years ago. But after a few bolkes were burnt to death, and other incidents it was agreed some strategy should be inplace.
I guess in thsi case Methanol is not used everywhere, people forget its about, and if there is an incident its my guess somebody will try and sue for money.
So if something is in place, that may increase awareness of the issue.
As my engine builder commented the other day, "how come motorcyclists always walk around with the head up their backsides, claiming the whole world is out to get them.'
Coomon sence no longer exists, people expect money if something happens.
Thsi proposal may help.
After its costs you nothing so what is the grief?
Why an I concerned, I've been caught in a fire in the pits and nobody knew what to do. Things are better today, but awareness costs little for a great result.
As for more rules, its my guess, things will tighten up anyway for all sorts of matters, the vehicle operated roller starters was a quick casualty, back protectors came in some years ago.
All of these steps have helped riders prevent injury.
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John Daley Sidecar #68
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trifield12
Level 1 Member
Victoria
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Posted - 26 Feb 2008 : 5:19:07 PM
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| fair comments but my question wasnt answered, what if the bike is burning and corner steward cant see flames ,the sticker is on the broken bit flung off .does he/she treat it as no fire or do you assume it might be , hence whats the point of a sticker if we figure it might be burning. these guys must be clued up to this at an historic meeting |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
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Posted - 26 Feb 2008 : 8:32:38 PM
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The issue of labeling machines is part of the program to increase awareness of different fuels and different situations that can arise because of that. Coupled with increased training of flaggies and pit personell not to say even more riders, we hope the good luck continues.
With the machine lying on iuts siude, training and awareness of the presence of methanol will encourage them to look above the machine for a shimmer.
Currently many flaggies attend almost a race weekend a weekend with moderns and only see Historics occainsionally.
The whole issue is prevention rather than a cure.
Sure there are extinguishers which do both fire types, but at some tracks they dont even appear.
Broadford is well postioned in this area.
I can say the talk about stickers has prompted many other discusions about extinguishers, procedures, outcomes and training needs. So please see the bigger picture the topic has generated. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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David
Site Administrator
Australia
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Posted - 26 Mar 2008 : 7:58:08 PM
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OK, just so you all are aware, the stickers have been printered (500) for a second time as the print job was not good and I would not accept them. Australian Air Express have botched the overnight delivery from the pickup of the 20th March and I should have the good stickers on the 27th March (a week for an Overnight delivery from 1 Melbourne suburb to another Melbourne suburb).
I will be going down to Braodford and drop off a few this week-end. If any others are interested in these temporary stickers, please e-mail or send me a private message and I will get them sent out.
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David
Webmaster & Owner of Classic Motorcycling Australia
Quote: I thought I wanted a career, turns out I just wanted to be paid. |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
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Posted - 26 Mar 2008 : 10:56:49 PM
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| Well done David. I shall be leaving for the track on Thursady evening. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 12 Apr 2008 : 09:16:18 AM
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| David Greening dropped off some stickers to us at the Vic His. Titles meeting. They have been acceptted quite willingly and perhaps we have started something taht will work for the good of all. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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