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john
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Victoria
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 Posted - 25 Aug 2009 : 7:22:35 PM
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Glen 20 challenged me to ask thsi question so I am interested to know if there is a response and what people think.
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John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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GD66
Senior Member
Western Australia
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Posted - 26 Aug 2009 : 6:48:01 PM
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Well, Rod Tingate turned out on Ron Angel's 350 Manx recently, and Bruce Marston has been flying on a 350 Goldie, so apparently they see enough to get them to the track. I think the question's incomplete...why WOULDN'T anyone bring a good 350 Manx or Goldie to the track, especially if they ride the wheels off them...
You want to cheer up a bit, Glen20, maybe you need a damn good ride ! See you at the Southern Classic ?
And for what it's worth, I'm not sure I see any apparent number shortage, or even programme deficiency...last year's Southern Classic had 160 entries, if I recall, and there are five of us who have been lured over from WA to race this year... |
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Alan Cotterell
In a time out state
Victoria
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Posted - 27 Aug 2009 : 06:52:22 AM
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GD66, your question:
'I think the question's incomplete...why WOULDN'T anyone bring a good 350 Manx or Goldie to the track, especially if they ride the wheels off them...'
That's the question which was originally asked by John Daley, and it should be asked about the bikes that have disappeared -
650/750 Triumphs/Nortons
Ducati 250/350/450/750/860.
BSA Victor
Seeley G50
Where are they all, and why aren't they being raced? I suggest the answer is the format of race meetings make it poor value for money to bring them out.
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 27 Aug 2009 : 08:38:25 AM
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Teere is no eviedence that race format is the sole reason for non apperance of these machines.
Glen I think you should apply some positive energy to the situation, roll your bike out and enjoy yourselve. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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GD66
Senior Member
Western Australia
390 Posts |
Posted - 27 Aug 2009 : 6:39:09 PM
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To go through bike by bike, the Historic nats in Queensland next weekend has entries in Period 3 Unlimited from 6 Tritons, 11 Nortons, and 1 Triumph. As well as 1 Tri/Ariel, 1 JAP and 1 Norvin. So, they're out and about.
Ducati singles, apart from the examples piloted by Ian Glover, Phil Hitchcock and one or two others, are thin on the ground, admittedly. But they always were, even in the day. They are quite expensive and not terribly quick, without a huge cash injection. The larger twin 750s, one or two remain but are too high in value to grenade or crash, like the Eddie Lopez example.
BSA Victors are a scrambler made in 1966 and never roadraced.
I can think of only two Seeley G50s in Aus historic racing, because they were made from 1966 onwards they race in Period 4 500. One was bought by an Irishman in NSW and was never seen again, and the other is ridden hard every season by Queensland-domiciled Scot Duf Woolsey, who is an ex-British 500 classic competitor who is happy to see who he can roll in P4 500, even with it's 1972 cutoff.
The simple answer is that of the examples you have given, there were never very many about of any of them, and so there are even fewer now.
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matcho mick
Advanced Member
New South Wales
570 Posts |
Posted - 27 Aug 2009 : 10:58:55 PM
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lets not forget Neil May's manx either!(millenium technology & price notwithstanding  ) |
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Alan Cotterell
In a time out state
Victoria
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Posted - 28 Aug 2009 : 07:00:51 AM
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Who owns the immaculate MK2 Seeley G50 which was at Phillip Islands this year? By the BSA Victor I meant the mid70s 350 (B40?) that Doug Gorrie sometimes brings out! The point is that there are plenty of sixties and seventies 350 singles and twin fourstrokes which are never raced under our current regime because they can go nowhere. As far as Seeley G50s are concerned,I can only remember one ever being raced years ago, owned by Craig McDonald - it blew up and was never seen again! The fact is that they were the best ever British racing single, and we don't have any because of the race meeting format which means every ride goes nowhere.
All I'm suggesting is that we liberalise the 'periods', and allow similar bikes to race together. If you've got a P4 two stroke or multi you should be racing the P5 two strokes and multis. There's no reason to keep the two 'periods' separate. An R5 on alcohol should be as fast as a TZ350! |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 28 Aug 2009 : 09:58:16 AM
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Well thsi bloke will bring a Manx 500
"I have purchased a Manx Norton, 57 model short stroker ( ex New Zealand, Marsden Bros. Dunedin and also ridden by Stu. Avant) and plan to run it in historics.
Any guidance in terms of appropriate clubs, race calender, test days, etc. would be appreciated.
Thanks John. I think all being well Robbie Phillis will ride it for me at the Southern Classic. I'll need to organise a log book, entry form and a few other things.
I'm up in Port Douglas at present so it will have to be done by "remote control".
Cheers,
Cheers,
Bob Minogue.
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John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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GD66
Senior Member
Western Australia
390 Posts |
Posted - 29 Aug 2009 : 9:39:38 PM
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| If it's ex-Dunedin and has been ridden by Stu Avant, it's more than likely ex-Alan Bramwell, and used to be a nice unit. Any chance that the new owner is the ex-F5000 star pilot Bob Minogue ? |
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Alan Cotterell
In a time out state
Victoria
421 Posts |
Posted - 30 Aug 2009 : 08:47:11 AM
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| Sounds like Bob Minogue as he is not riding it himself. Bob crashed a supersport at the Island about 3 years ago and did hmself some real damage! I doubt he would be fit enough to ride a manx. But it's great news that he might get Robbie a ride in the classic event. |
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Alan Cotterell
In a time out state
Victoria
421 Posts |
Posted - 30 Aug 2009 : 08:59:34 AM
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| About single cylinder Ducatis - Darryl Bailey often brings a fantastic Spondon framed 250 to historic meetings. He gets rides in Period 4 Unlimited, and 250/350 races against two strokes and multis. If the P3 350 class was extended to include four stroke singles and twins of ANY PERIOD, he'd get really decent rides and present good competition for Goldies and Manxes in the Junior TT Class. As it is I've seen him race against Rex and the clones and get blitzed. The 350 class should cater for ALL 350 fourstroke singles and twins whether they are 1950s 350 manxes and goldies or 1970s CB350 Hondas twins and Ducati 250/350 of all years. |
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keith campbell
Level 3 Member
Victoria
248 Posts |
Posted - 30 Aug 2009 : 8:08:07 PM
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HMRAV run 3 very successful meetings per annum.
There is mixed class racing as well as singular perod races.
To put it simply if you enter any of these events you are going to have great fun racing,period!
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All's well in Victoria thanks to the HMRAV's committed commitee.
Thank you |
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Alan Cotterell
In a time out state
Victoria
421 Posts |
Posted - 30 Aug 2009 : 10:56:06 PM
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| Keith, I'm glad the current format of HMRAV meetings satisfies your needs. This topic started off about how to increase the numbers of competitors at race meetings. Are you not even willing to consider a trial of an alternative format which might provide more emjoyment for more people? It might bring a few more out of the woodwork, if they knew they weren't going to get blitzed in 'period' races? |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 31 Aug 2009 : 09:38:11 AM
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Glen 20, the circle has come around the full range.
We cannot design races so everybdy wins.
We always are looking for alternatives but as you well know, very few of them has attracted any riders.
We are looking at the Come and Try day to provide a chance for newcomers to get involved.
If primadonners cant race because they dont like being beaten, we cant help their EGO at all. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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