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john
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Victoria
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 Posted - 14 Nov 2004 : 10:40:48 PM
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I noticed this comment elsewhere and seek opinions as to what people think about it?
How would you boost a revised interest in Historic motorcycle Racing?
"The Aus Champs where in a way a test of faith for some plans ..... that needed underwriting that would have seen some revised interest in Historic motorcycling."
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John Daley Sidecar #68
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Alan
Forum Moderator
Western Australia
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Posted - 15 Nov 2004 : 01:41:08 AM
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John I think we started touching on this subject prior to the Winton debacle. In my humble opinion we need to make sure that the people putting up need to enjoy what they are doing. At the moement we are all coming down from a bad experience but it is not a hopeless situation.
If we can proved a safe, as safe as bike racing can be, enjoyable situation that provides good value for the dollars spent then we are half way there. Costs need to be kept to a manageable level so that we can afford to go racing and that needs to be achieved at all levels.
I have personally conducted surveys of our members in the past regarding the lack of partcipation and the high drop out rate and the two main reasons have been financial and pressure at home. we cant change the home/family pressure situation but we should be able to keep costs to a reasonable level. The Winton situation this year is a good example of a promoter not trying to achieve this, clubs when they have run big meetings have always managed to gain sponsorship which can then reflect on lower entry fees. Fun in racing is the hardest to achieve as by its very nature competing and then not winning will almost always disappoint. But at club level there are opportunities to do this and leave the serious stuff for National Championships, State Championships etc.
I look forward to other responses on this subject with interest, I am sure there are some good ideas out there.
Alan Sidecar 21 WA |
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Ben
Honda CB350 Racers Promotion - Moderator
Victoria
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Posted - 15 Nov 2004 : 09:38:24 AM
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Hi John,
I believe that the Historic racing movement needs to take full advantage of it's 'retro cool' nature. Retro is huge at the moment and we may be able to get more paying spectators (and new racers) out of promotion along these lines. For example, there are retro specific shops such as route 66, Dangerfield and many independents that represent good places to post promotional flyers. The last southern classic book cover was perfect for this! (also perfect for a t-shirt transfer!)I think people can be encouraged to attend the race w/ends if they are percieved as a glance into a culture, not just an event. Also, how about posters all up and down Elizabeth st?
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
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Posted - 15 Nov 2004 : 12:01:17 PM
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looking good.
can you get some details of the shops, perhaps we could get some promotional gear from them or even sell them something? |
John Daley Sidecar #68
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Ben
Honda CB350 Racers Promotion - Moderator
Victoria
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Posted - 15 Nov 2004 : 12:04:14 PM
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| Sure John, I'll look into it and get back to you. |
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Posted - 15 Nov 2004 : 12:27:55 PM
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Alternative record shops like Polyester,Greville Records,Go-Go's,etc are some windows that could prosper.
There is a "Retro" Dragster shop in Brunswick that sells those dragsters,Ive been told that some of these pushys fetch upto $3000 so maybe there a group we should target as their interest in the old stuff is already there.
Unis and High Schools could be asked,ya spot on with Dangerfields R66 etc maybe even the older cinemas.
We have to get more info out than just trying to use a bike shop window.
What about plane with a trailing banner flown at over a selected event like the AFL,NFL Grand Final.Youll definatley get the attention of some I reckon.
The list is endless. |
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Posted - 15 Nov 2004 : 12:48:02 PM
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It was also mentioned that a shopping centre could be approached to get a weekend display.
The only real problem with this is trying to get people to lend you a bike to set up,as was the case with another display recently.
What are peoples problems with doing this?
If someone asked me to borrow the outfit for a weekend to use it at blah blah blah,then Id be more than happy to give it to em to use it.
To give people a an example of how static displays can work,about 12 months ago I was asked by the company I worked for to build them a new indoor rental kart.The thing was displayed at Swinburne Uni with a stall for our venue(all day Friday) and the influx of customers onFriday night and Saturday night was massive.As all of the customers had to fill out indemnity forms the majority of customers were from Swinburne,so I believe the display worked a treat.
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Alan
Forum Moderator
Western Australia
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Posted - 16 Nov 2004 : 12:39:59 AM
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All the preceding suggestions work to a degree in there own right. We have had a lot of succes running static displays in shopping centres and it takes very little to organise. The other promotional tool that can be quite cheap is to use a radio station that focuses on 60s and 70s music as the people that listen to this music often have fond memories of their lost youth and were probably motorcyclists at some stage. TV would be brilliant but far to expensive even for a national Championships.
Alan Sidecar 21 WA |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 16 Nov 2004 : 07:44:37 AM
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| We have 3AW with mitchell and 3LO with Derek and the bike show. Does anybody have any contactpoints? |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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Posted - 17 Nov 2004 : 12:28:22 AM
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Gday all
Jezz i read some crap on these froums, so heres mine. Im in my first season in historics and love it. For what its worth my ideas on the health of our code of racing depends on more bikes on grids especialy at interclub meetings. To get them there we need point score season awards and trophys to get the entrants interest up , this can run seperate from state c/ships. For the cost of entries there needs a goal to aim for to keep at it for the year, lets face it how nuch does a cup cost the sport but it may mean heaps to the one who scores it. I think as we get older some times this the last shot at real racing, and historics is that, no demo laps for us!, so bringing the cup home could be a great incentive to get it out there. Personaly it dosent bother me , i just like to be on the track, this is just my ideas.
Our future depends on fresh competitors so where do we get them from, lets see displays, no go if the interested person enquires to the cost of getting into that nice looking 7r and is told 35kto 45k well you can almost here the dissapearing footsteps.
Radio well save your time, advertising - same applies Class of bike- well now thats possably it, the new historic racers will be on the whole modern bike racers of the last 20 years, they will want to race those bikes, the early super bikes and race replicas so get them the class. You know there are a lot of people who think a manx is a oilleaking pile of trouble but a gsxr750 cool,
What im tryingb to say is we have to move along and when fresh blokes start to get involved with historic racing the manx is seen in a new dimension olong with all older machines and riders.
This is just my ideas however disturbed they may be
Regards Hudo |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
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Posted - 17 Nov 2004 : 07:50:33 AM
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Cup idea sound sgood.
How would you awards points?
Would it be at only Historic meetings?
How or who would be recording the data?
Would you get points for attending and or places? |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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Ben
Honda CB350 Racers Promotion - Moderator
Victoria
288 Posts |
Posted - 17 Nov 2004 : 09:01:54 AM
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| On the subject of new racers....... I have always thought that a "first season" race class for all the different periods would be a great idea........ if the numbers were available of course. On a different note, in the states, a new racer must wear an orange vest until they are deemed competant, I think this is a great idea as it would promote safer riding around people who are not yet scratching pegs. |
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john
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Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 17 Nov 2004 : 09:05:42 AM
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| We did float that jacket idea but got caned for it. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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Ben
Honda CB350 Racers Promotion - Moderator
Victoria
288 Posts |
Posted - 17 Nov 2004 : 10:46:48 AM
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Thats a shame, do the announcers at least let everyone know that a rider is new? Maybe the new racer could just have different coloured numbers? Say Yellow or red, on the same colour plate as everyone else?
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Posted - 17 Nov 2004 : 12:11:59 PM
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In regards to the cup,at the 2003 Mt Tarrengower Hillclimb some clever smartie got a nice piece of dark hardwood(10x10cm) and mounted a Tiger Cub 100 piston+conrod assy on it.
This type of trophy is far more prized than the $5 crap that we currently race for.
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kavo
Level 2 Member
Queensland
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Posted - 17 Nov 2004 : 2:40:24 PM
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| Up here in QLD, all new competitors must wear a white T-shirt over their leathers. They don't have a choice. If at the end of the meeting they are deemed competant, that is the end of it. Also, I know someone in a car club who actaully races for a Sheep Station... A minature one made from timber and a few old parts from here and there. This is their perpetual trophy.. I agree that somehow we need to attract more young guys like Kel Carrick Jnr etc... How to do it, I don't know... |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 17 Nov 2004 : 5:19:22 PM
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I like that Sheep station idea.
I wonder if anybody can make a sheep station for us? |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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Posted - 18 Nov 2004 : 12:09:50 AM
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John
I think point score could be run by competition sec of state historic club, i dont think it will be hard to get results of any meeting being interclub [historic/moderns] or just historic racing.
They could be period cups , meaning any capacity in each period can win it, this will just encourage participation not just the best . This may favour smaller bikes but a grid with a heap of bikes looks better than what i have seen this year. We may even see prewar out for some points every now and then. Regards Hudo |
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john
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Victoria
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Posted - 18 Nov 2004 : 10:38:32 AM
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How would you score.
Points for turning up?
Extra points for a place? |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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Posted - 19 Nov 2004 : 12:05:42 AM
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Gday
Point score could be if say 8 in race last gets1 point up to 1st8 points, if the grid is small so are points available. You have to roll up make the race to get 1 point at least . So every rider scores, the better you do and how regular you race is refelected by your points. What do you think?
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Posted - 19 Nov 2004 : 12:32:50 AM
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If say 10 riders start the race for a max of 10 points for the win,15 starters-15 points and so on.
Say 3 riders drop out,Crash/Mechanical whatever the reason,would these riders still be awarded points.
You can do this by giving the first guy to retire 1 point ,the second guy 2 points on so on again.
This way even though you had a shocker of a weekend you still can get a point or two. |
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Posted - 23 Nov 2004 : 12:25:18 AM
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Gday
Nah ! If you cant make it to the checkers you dont score the points, i dont think rewarding failure is in the spirit of competition, I crashed this weekend in the lead and i wouldnt want a point for that effort. Regards Hudo |
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