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john
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Victoria
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 Posted - 10 May 2008 : 9:00:17 PM
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I attended the Victorian Road race management committee this week. The news is grim for sidecars at the Victorian Modern Titles, John Clancy, Rob Martin and one other outfit attended. I am aware Bondy has attended in the past.
It is not dumb to say that if the moderns are relying on Post Classics to boost numbers, they need help.
I proposed people interested in modern or outfits beyond Historics to try and promote the sport.
Accordingly I have created a site You must be logged in to see this link. and a forum on You must be logged in to see this link.
which sets out to help promote Sidecar racing for other disciplines than Historics.
I own a 1983 model sidecar which cannot race anywahere, there must be others. If we can work with Preston MCC and get more machines to the Vic. Modern Titles it may be the start of a new growth that certainly is needed.
The new site is not intended to undermine the valuable role Davids site here has for Historics.
The Moto X boys have been promoting very well, the moderns have not, the speedway is doing ok and dirt track is a mess, no pun intended.
Some of us are fortunate to be multi disciplined and perhaps an infusion of new enthusiasim and new blood is just what is needed.
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John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
Edited by - john on 11 May 2008 10:33:00 PM |
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Lethal le
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Queensland
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Posted - 19 Dec 2008 : 9:27:44 PM
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| HiJohn,Are you talking F1 or F2 maybe both.I would say it is cost. The price of a LCR is probably out of most peoples pockets.I am trying to build a p4 sidecar as you know,I look at F1 & F2 at first,but found the cost to much.I belive that a young person would rather put big money into a solo where they would get more in return IE:start money, prize money, more races,world recognition.If you told a lay person that you are the world sidecar champion they would probably "Oh do they race those?" Which comes down to the "Press" if sidecars made the news as solos do,then I belive we would have more of a chance. Le. |
One hour of glory is better than a lifetime without a name.If you what to blend in take the bus. |
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Jeff
Level 2 Member
New South Wales
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Posted - 20 Dec 2008 : 12:32:26 PM
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This is a problem, you don't need a $100000 LCR to race in F1 or a $60000 DMR for F2. When commentators at racetracks or on the telly talk about the machinery they never talk about $10-$15000 Kelletts or Porteouses(?) or similar that make up the rest of the field, but about the mega dollar LCRs. They also don't mention the people who build their own, two of last year's top three (I was forth)in the ASC were on sidecars they built themselves, one even made his own passenger.
I reckon that it is no dearer, maybe even cheaper to race a short F1 or F2 than a Period 5 or a fast Period 4. I priced some R1 engine bits recently and was surprised that you could build a 190 horsepower engine for around $6000 where I know Post Classic sidecar racers who spend near double that on an engine that lasts even less time.
Do we have too many classes?
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Edited by - Jeff on 20 Dec 2008 1:09:00 PM |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 25 Dec 2008 : 7:40:54 PM
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With respect people who talk about not racing anuthing because its too expensive are not the people I am trying to attract or talk to.
I am tracking down people who want to race!
In Victoria we have built the number of outfits at the Island Classic from 4 to nearly 40 over about 3 yeras. It has taken the combined efforts of keen racers who have instilled that enthusisim into others.
As Jeff says you can get somewhere on a budget.
Money has always produced results but you dont need lots of it to have a lot of fun.
Not everybody can win, but I can garantee everybody will have fun if they want it and maybe over time sucess will come. It took me 34 ears to move from 2nd to first in 1972 machinery.
So it can be done .
Dont forget the sidecar teams gathering in Melbourne 6 June 2009 come along and remember the good times.
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John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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Lethal le
Level 2 Member
Queensland
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Posted - 25 Dec 2008 : 9:28:43 PM
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| Hello John ,I did not get my point across, it is that people will send more money on solos than sidecars , because of what they get in return.Therefore there is more interest in solos than sidecars.Le. |
One hour of glory is better than a lifetime without a name.If you what to blend in take the bus. |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 30 Dec 2008 : 09:31:46 AM
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Lets stick to the topic.
In Victoria we have established two new sub claSSES IN THE MODERN ERA TO ATTRACT THE OLDER 1981- 1998 MACHINES.
It is Clubman and Pre- Modern .
We hope by catering for these machines we hope we can get some some back to the track.
People either want to race or they dont, discussions about costs should be held elsewhere pleaSE. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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Jeff
Level 2 Member
New South Wales
32 Posts |
Posted - 30 Dec 2008 : 9:46:54 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by john
IN THE MODERN ERA TO ATTRACT THE OLDER 1981- 1998 MACHINES.
Strangely enough my new sidecar is a 1999 model. 
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Lethal le
Level 2 Member
Queensland
25 Posts |
Posted - 31 Dec 2008 : 12:08:38 AM
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| GO JEFF. |
One hour of glory is better than a lifetime without a name.If you what to blend in take the bus. |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 02 Jan 2009 : 08:32:06 AM
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Jeff this is a Victorian initiative, but I am sure people will try and help you. What part of the machine is 99?
If the motor is genericly the same as earlier motors you will be ok.
Otherwise we may need to shift a date since it was a guess at this stage. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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Alan
Forum Moderator
Western Australia
353 Posts |
Posted - 02 Jan 2009 : 11:22:09 PM
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John as a suggestion why wouldnt you use a technological step rather than a year cut off point. Nominating 1998 as a cut off includes all styles of chassis anyway so why not for example have the class as carburated engines only and exclude the injected models that should make for a competitive sub class. This is of course only a suggestion and I am sure there are a million other ways of achieving your objectives.
Good luck
Alan Sidecar 21 WA |
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feral 2
Level 1 Member
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Posted - 09 Jan 2009 : 8:28:18 PM
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| hi john , we have a similar problem up north except it covers every class so we all run together , from post classic to lcrs [sometimes a classic or 2] , we only have classification for p-c & f1 but if a p5 has a good day [ to finish first first you must finish ] they take home the f1 trophy .in the last few years we have gone from stuggling toget 5 outfits ontrack to10+ for 10 meetings per year . |
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john feakes
Advanced Member
Victoria
791 Posts |
Posted - 10 Jan 2009 : 4:02:03 PM
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Alan, I like your suggestion to use technical advances to determine classes rather than dates. I think there is far too much emphasis placed on dates which can be pretty meaningless.
I tried this theory a while ago but could not get it off the ground. Perhaps it is time to try again.
Cheers, John  |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 10 Jan 2009 : 4:39:22 PM
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Alan, I think your idea has merit.
At this stage the plen was to simply get machines out again and on the market and the track.
I envisaged a review within a year or so once we see how it is going.
Initially my draft finshed with about 8 variations which obviously was unworkable.
So I suggest we talk about improvements but stick with the year cut off at this satge just to get things rolling. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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