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Alan Cotterell
In a time out state
Victoria
421 Posts |
 Posted - 26 Aug 2009 : 11:02:56 AM
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I thought it would be interesting to have a topic to help newbies into historic racing with a chance to win races. Let's tell it like it is?
To win Period 3 Junior, you need a two stroke from the fifties, and trick it.
To win Period 3 unlimited you need a featherbed Vincent 1000 or Harley 1000.
To win Period 4 Unlimited you need a Trex Honda CB750(1100) or build a very trick Vincent 1000 Replica.
To win Period 4 125 you need an H100 Honda.
To win Period 5 unlimited you need a 4 valve GSX1100 Suzuki.
If you are just a beginner, buy one of these bikes. Anything else will just cost you money for little reason.
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OldKwak
Level 2 Member
Victoria
156 Posts |
Posted - 26 Aug 2009 : 11:17:49 PM
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Talk about bitter & twisted. I don't think glen20 actually attends meetings if this is the advice he hands out. It just completely ignores reality and should be ignored.
Newbies, get a bike you enjoy, do it up and learn to ride on a track. Its fun.
Reality is you won't win immediately but you definitely don't NEED any of the bikes mentioned by glen20 to win. Peter Guest and Carl Corpe often win on 2 valve kawasakis in p5, I don't follow the other classes as much but if the comment on p5 is anything to go by, I think g20's comments are just so much perfume. |
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matcho mick
Advanced Member
New South Wales
570 Posts |
Posted - 27 Aug 2009 : 10:49:02 PM
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absolutly nothing more is guaranteed to discourage "newbies" from historic racing than this ****er fixation for winning from the getgo,most "in the real world" newbies are more concerned with trying to not be in the way,not ,they have to have the fastest,most expensive,flavour of the month race bike,concentrate on getting to/on the track 1st,worry about the sheep stations later |
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Alan Cotterell
In a time out state
Victoria
421 Posts |
Posted - 28 Aug 2009 : 06:45:58 AM
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| My advice is simply this -If you want to be a good rider buy yourself something decent right from the start. Riding an old sh*tter only destroys your confidence, and will probably crash you. If you are going to spend money, have a look at what's winning. It's all very nice to say, 'just come along and have fun' - it all costs money. |
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john feakes
Advanced Member
Victoria
791 Posts |
Posted - 31 Aug 2009 : 11:36:05 AM
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I can only afford an old sh*tter.
Isn't that what historic bikes are supposed to be?
Cheers, John |
125 RIDERS' ALLIANCE
A wise person simplifies the complicated, a fool complicates the simple. |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 03 Sep 2009 : 10:21:58 PM
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Glen your fixation on having to spend or not spend and your inate wish to win without competition nor a bike is ruining thenconversation.
As we have witnessed many times it takes agrid of machines to have a race and somebody will be in front and somebody will be last.
In may experience any position can be just as good as another. Sure iof you spend days and days porting etc you will want to do better, but at the end of the day if you do not enjoy the working and the riding and maybe coming last, then you should not be racing old bikes.
You obviously have a higher need for sucess in a measurable manner and I suggest you get a modern bike where they all seem to be the same but still somebody does come first.
Al get real we all do it for fun.
I think there has been enough talk, now we need response from others for an opinion about what they like doing.
If they dont respond it may indiscate they dont have an opinion or they are sick of the talking.
I want to hear from others without a running commentary on their opinions please. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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Greg
Level 1 Member
South Australia
10 Posts |
Posted - 21 Sep 2009 : 10:19:16 AM
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I lost interest in this forum because of all the emotional crap, fighting, name calling and arguments etc.
This morning, morning coffee I thought I'd have a look to se how things have prgoressed and if it is worth my while participating once again.
What a waste of time it was.
Many of you are a sad lot indeed.
Goodbye,
Greg Summerton in Adelaide
PS (just so no-one accuses me of being a nameless comentator, I believe EVERYONE should have their full and real name on their posts, it might stop some of the cowardly comments?) |
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john feakes
Advanced Member
Victoria
791 Posts |
Posted - 22 Sep 2009 : 09:06:20 AM
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Greg, you seem to have a very high opinion of yourself.
Instead of taking your bat home why don't you contribute something positive?
Cheers, John |
125 RIDERS' ALLIANCE
A wise person simplifies the complicated, a fool complicates the simple. |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 22 Sep 2009 : 10:10:10 AM
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Greg, there are two ways of dealing with the matter
- Blow up and declare you will not be involved
- Decide to buckle down and fight the situation.
You will note there are quite a few with a real names, so you are not stateing the obvious.
Find another site that works as well as this, if you can.
Otherwise settle down and get involved. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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Stuzuki
Level 1 Member
Victoria
1 Posts |
Posted - 24 Sep 2009 : 3:28:55 PM
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Should this post even be here?
If you're a newbie, winning should be the last thing you think about. Get out have a shot & have some fun, on anything. If you're not enjoying it then take up tennis. At least you won't have burnt $$$ finding it's not for you.
As for your second post Al/Glen20, buying a good/expensive bike won't make you a good rider, getting out & racing will. I spent years developing my sh1tter into a decent racer, I also crashed & learned from my mistakes.
If it's trophies you are after, call me & I;ll give you a box full.
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Alan
Forum Moderator
Western Australia
353 Posts |
Posted - 24 Sep 2009 : 7:25:24 PM
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Two people have come very close to ruining this website with their constant sniping and dare I say it outlandish ideas. The first was Jayne who it turned out was someone in authority being stupid and irresponsible and the second was Allan Cotterell. Then guess what just as normality sr=tarted to return and postings were picking up along comes Glen20 (Allan Cotterell) more interested parties alienated and for what just to push their own barrow without any consideration for others.
David and Allan need to find a way of keeping these clowns off this site so it can get back to where it was a few years back.
Alan Sidecar 21 WA |
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David
Site Administrator
Australia
999 Posts |
Posted - 24 Sep 2009 : 8:37:39 PM
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This site was put together for all to build the sport of Classic/Post Classic and Historic racing in Australia, and then you get clowns on who stir the pot, as soon as I find users like that, I will be putting a poll up to give you, yes you the site user the option on if the user stays or goes.
I see a lot more in the background that they think and I can do quite a bit to stop them from coming on the site and stirring the pot. I hate it when someone states something and then do the complete opposite when someone agrees with them, and this is what I see with Allan Cotterell (who is Glen20 and all of a sudden no longer posting).
The site is here for the promotion of the sport, and it requires your input to make it better. |
Regards,
David
Webmaster & Owner of Classic Motorcycling Australia
Quote: I thought I wanted a career, turns out I just wanted to be paid. |
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Patrick
Level 3 Member
Victoria
314 Posts |
Posted - 24 Sep 2009 : 10:01:24 PM
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Originally posted by Stuzuki
If it's trophies you are after, call me & I;ll give you a box full.
Stuart Loly
Great first post Stuart! - look forward to reading many more from you.
It took me hours to get my first post together - this is a great forum but now and then it goes off track - it does however return stronger.
Cheers
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OldKwak
Level 2 Member
Victoria
156 Posts |
Posted - 27 Sep 2009 : 6:33:43 PM
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| Ahh - Stuart, come back to the track - we miss you |
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vinton
Level 2 Member
Western Australia
42 Posts |
Posted - 28 Sep 2009 : 3:51:33 PM
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| spot on stuart !I started 4 years ago on an rd 400 that was picked up for $300 and a grand total of $1500 had me on a race track with sort of desent rubber and having a ball but racing for me was always going to be at a state level.This has lead to me racing at a national events on 2 very special bikes for a bike owner but my point is that if I had of waited to be able to afford a t rex rocket or a tz 350 etc none of this would have happened and I probably would be pushing the mower around dreaming of posabilitys of trying road racing one day. ps a mate now races the rd 400 at a state level and is also having a ball and another mate is running p2 on my ridgid girder m 20 bsa and his standard answer to knockers of lack of speed etc etc is "but Im on the right side of the fence which side are you on"every now and then I have a ride on the rd and I still get a buzz out of riding it ! |
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racer7
Level 2 Member
67 Posts |
Posted - 10 Oct 2009 : 07:41:49 AM
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Guys. I don't know Allan/ Glen from a bar of soap. In my probably feeble attempt to read between the lines, I think he's saying that to win, you need XYZ machinery. I don't believe he's saying that your 'only for fun - OK to come last' racer needs to buy XYZ stuff. (?) In 1969, whilst competing on a CB77, with Read Conversion kit and all sort of go fast parts, a multiple National Champion, took me aside, and said, stop doing it, save a bit,buy a TD1A...B? (Whatever the then Yamaha model was in that era.) You'll go faster, with less crashes, and maybe get where you want to go. He was right. Just for fun, race anything. To win, race XYZ. Or maybe Allan/ Glen is not saying that at all? I don't know much at all generally, but I do enjoy passion for bike racing things. A forum is for an exchange of ideas. Without punching him (Allan/ G20) in the head, rather let us know how you made a pigs ear into a silk purse, and how much it cost!
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john feakes
Advanced Member
Victoria
791 Posts |
Posted - 10 Oct 2009 : 09:38:03 AM
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Well said racer7.
I'm all for diversity of opinions and a bit of controversy from time to time.
If there were not riders prepared to finish last there would not be any winners.
Personally I think it should all be about having fun and trying to make personal improvements.
I notice that Alan/Glen has gone very quiet lately.
I do hope that he hasn't been struck off again.
Cheers, John |
125 RIDERS' ALLIANCE
A wise person simplifies the complicated, a fool complicates the simple. |
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Doghouse Dave
Level 2 Member
Victoria
34 Posts |
Posted - 07 Nov 2009 : 6:49:16 PM
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| I'm going out for my first race soon in P5. I bought an old Z750 all set up ready to go real cheap.I'll be last for sure but I reckon I'll have the biggest grin on my face and I wont be pushing too hard (just have to get used to the reverse shifter on it). Just be careful when you lap me fellas!! I'll try to keep outta your way. |
It doesnt matter if you win or lose,its having a good time that counts. |
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keith campbell
Level 3 Member
Victoria
248 Posts |
Posted - 08 Nov 2009 : 10:28:46 PM
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 Welcome Doghouse Dave! You have hit the nail on the head.
No matter what the result YOU will have a huge grin on your face. Being part of the active racing community always brings a smile to your face.(costly blow ups and crashes included)
Get out there, have fun and you are immediately qualified to have a valid opinion.
PS There is also great "fireside" racing tales to retell to all of the fellow competitors you are partying with.
See you out there |
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vinton
Level 2 Member
Western Australia
42 Posts |
Posted - 08 Nov 2009 : 11:54:10 PM
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| hear hear go get um dog house and dont sell your self short .The first step to the top is to be on the correct side of the fence .No spectator has any chance of being in front of you so in the eyes of us that do!!!! you are already a mile a head. |
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CB72
Level 2 Member
39 Posts |
Posted - 30 Nov 2009 : 5:56:41 PM
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I'm sure that I don't know many if any of you, but it seems to me that Allan C is making a point that certain bikes tend to dominate certain classes.
Whether or not his tongue was in his cheek I can't tell, but there is some truth in his comments.
But the issue is not whether at this particular time bike X is more common or bike Y, but is that domination simply because of the usual Darwinian rules that apply here or is it because the rules are not achieving the desired result.
For example is it fair to ban Jerry Kooistra's Hondas because they are faster than the rest of the class? Not unless they are breaking the rules or unless the rules are dumb and need to be changed.
If the whole class turned out to consist of Jerry built bikes and no one else came to play, the rules should be changed i.e. they should evolve, but not as a knee jerk reaction.
On the other hand if we all turned up with 6 speed twin carbed Ariel Arrows in lightweight chassis, or on fast OSSA or Bultacos and no four strokes came out to play, then the rules would be overdue for evolution.
At any point in time, one bike will always win more races than another and people will try to emulate that success. Nothing wrong with that unless it becomes unfair to all and that's what the current date/capacity structure tends to do.
AHRMA's F250 races are as likely to won by a TD3 as a K4, but most riders will build a K4 rather than trying to buy or build a TD3 or replica. It's easier and cheaper. But a good TD3 will always beat a good K4 all other variables being equal so it remains a viable class.
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